Minthara now recruitable with standard knockout in combat?

[Revan619]

> Increased the number of valid methods of knocking Minthara out to recruit her.

does this mean we can now just knock her out without having to glitch to get her on a good run?

[ahsanford]

Originally posted by Sigmutfreund:

Anyway she's still bugged : no romance scene, no kiss possible, and still sharing the tent with Halsin... so sad

They did not fix her recruitment fundamentally or her shared camp spot, no.

But in assessing if she had new camp dialogue (appears no) from an old save, you absolutely have the option to kiss her if romancing her in acts 2+

They eventually are going to write her a proper recruitment and act two and act three I think, it’s just baby steps for now.

- A

[ahsanford]

Surely Twitter has this.

…

Yeah they do. Here you go:

https://x.com/songbirdn7/status/1758502021655875700?s=46&t=aYIGRmPLLhG4w10S9bXopg

[Revan619]

Originally posted by Sundancer:

you could already just knock her out with non lethal attacks before patch 6 though and get her on a good run

you had to glitch it before with stealing to make a temp hostile tag

[Geno Gasparelli]

Originally posted by Revan619:

Originally posted by Sundancer:

you could already just knock her out with non lethal attacks before patch 6 though and get her on a good run

you had to glitch it before with stealing to make a temp hostile tag

And now you don't have to?

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by luxandfero:

Originally posted by アンジェル:

In doubt stick with the standard or just recruit her normal
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3110543554

...Okay, now I'm in doubt after reading this one because other guides weren't quite specific about long rests. Can I still recruit her if I did everything else correctly (temp hostile, knocked out, no LRs), talked to Halsin in the prison afterwards and then LR'ed before meeting him in the Grove?

I guarantee the funcitonality of the guide only as described. Long Rests can break the script and make the operation in total a failure. That is why it is important to be careful about it.

For example: you wrote you talk to Halsin afterwards. The reason why I specifically stated to talk to Halsin before is for the script. If it works your way too then you are lucky. But there were so many players who just got one misstep and suddenly it did not work.

And Long Rest is one of the major things which can lead to failure if done at the wrong timing.

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by ahsanford:

Originally posted by The_Guy:

Nope thats wrong. You had to make her temp. hostile towards, otherwise she wouldnt appear in Moonrise - no temp. hostile, no Minthara basically.

That's correct. You basically sneak up to her area and pick a non-lethal fight before speaking to her, which. makes. no. sense.

And if it was originally their intent to be able to recruit her without raiding the Grove, that would be a valid complaint. But. It. Was. A. Bug. One they're working on integrating into a legit way to recruit her, but it's probably still going to be janky for a few more patches.

No, it doesn't make sense. But it was never originally supposed to work at all.

And you can't long rest and return to her area or she wakes up. She won't be in Moonrise anymore -- the game will think her dead.

This part is a straight up lie. As long as you KO'd her properly and she was down when the other 2 leaders are down, you're good. Even if you return after long resting. If you long rest after KOing her but before taking down the other 2 leaders, you just need to KO her again.

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by Revan619:

Originally posted by Sundancer:

you could already just knock her out with non lethal attacks before patch 6 though and get her on a good run

you had to glitch it before with stealing to make a temp hostile tag

ANYTHING that initiated hostility from a non-hostile state outside of aggroing the whole camp or initiating combat through dialog would make her temp hostile. Walking up and smacking her in the face without talking to her first would work. For my part, I'd just off the scrying eye in front of her. Pop the war drum before a goblin can hit it and you're good.

[ahsanford]

I successfully did it with my last playthrough but I made sure that her getting bonked in the head and freeing Halsin happened in the same period of time without a long rest and I never returned to the camp again. It worked.

Again: Larian can make this go away anytime. They’ve chosen this patch is not the time to do that, so do your homework if you mean to recruit her:

1). Read アンジェル‘s guide above
2) Commit
3) save
4) do a speed run race ahead to moon rise and make sure she is there.
5) go back to your save and continue your playthrough, making sure never to return to the goblin camp interior.

- A

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by Sigmutfreund:

Anyway she's still bugged : no romance scene, no kiss possible, and still sharing the tent with Halsin... so sad

General romance interactions work, just no sex scene since that's specifically linked to the Grove raid. Sharing a spot with Halsin also isn't a bug, just they haven't ironed out something that was never intended to work originally. These aren't bugs. These are artifacts of them being in the process of integrating something that wasn't supposed to be possible.

[アンジェル]

To keep things easy about Long Rest question:

Knockout - lasts until Long Rest

The loophole script is basically
start the quest
knockout - Minthy counts as dealt with
end the quest
party

If you do instead
start the quest
knockout
longrest -> Minthy gets up again
end the quest
party

the loophole script has been broken that way. Also that is why the guide is described the way it is to reduce the issues to an absolute minimum where I know certainly the script will work. I did not go the extra mile and tested every version which makes no sense to me like: why would I deal with goblin leaders without killing them and THEN talk to Halsin. Lorewise such makes no sense to me unless I missed Halsin. And even if that is the case it makes lorewise no sense to me why to spare Minthy but not the rest. Lorewiselorewise there is a better thread recently. seeker1 made some very good points in that one. If I can find it again.

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

To keep things easy about Long Rest question:

Knockout - lasts until Long Rest

The loophole script is basically
start the quest
knockout - Minthy counts as dealt with
end the quest
party

If you do instead
start the quest
knockout
longrest -> Minthy gets up again
end the quest
party

the loophole script has been broken that way. Also that is why the guide is described the way it is to reduce the issues to an absolute minimum where I know certainly the script will work. I did not go the extra mile and tested every version which makes no sense to me like: why would I deal with goblin leaders without killing them and THEN talk to Halsin. Lorewise such makes no sense to me unless I missed Halsin. And even if that is the case it makes lorewise no sense to me why to spare Minthy but not the rest. Lorewiselorewise there is a better thread recently. seeker1 made some very good points in that one. If I can find it again.

Thing is the quest doesn't end if you long rest before finishing off the other leaders and don't knock her out again. There is no "end quest" step in that instance until you go back and KO her again.

[Skyperson375]

About talking with her... if I haven't rescued Sazza, I can talk to her, not reveal the grove location, then leave the conversation, and everything in the goblin camp is still how it was before - no imminent battle or anything. If I talk to her again she asks if I've discovered where the grove is yet and I can just not tell her and leave again.

At that point, can I make her temp hostile, knock her out, then proceed with the rest of the steps? As the dialogue hasn't affected the state of the game. Or do I literally not talk to her at all?

Thanks

[ahsanford]

Originally posted by Skyperson375:

At that point, can I make her temp hostile, knock her out, then proceed with the rest of the steps? As the dialogue hasn't affected the state of the game. Or do I literally not talk to her at all?

I see it like this from an RP perspective:

1) She's either a clear cut and dried agent of the big three (and therefore a prime target per your 'save the grove' quest), or

2) She's a future employer/partner.

If you are all in on #1 and don't want to play out the various RP angles -- inciting her, fooling her, baiting her, etc. -- just walk into to the room and knock her out without dialogue.

It's dumb. But it's how she was set up in the game. This whole recruitment is dumb and Larian should fix it, IMHO, but until then I'd honor アンジェル's guide to avoid the REAL pitfall here: thinking you've set a stage where you can recruit her only to find out much further in the future that you did it wrong. Because that happening has led to anger, tears, etc. with SO many people here.

So just in this rare intance: hacking/shortcutting/cheesing > RP here to maximize your chances of it all being worth it. Getting Minthara as a companion this way is 100% worth the very dumb 'RP chain of events cost' Larian is letting us pay here.

- A

[アンジェル]

Ah, found the thread I was thinking about

Why save Minthara?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1086940/discussions/0/4204742074620133671/

[Skyperson375]

As I understood it, the key thing is she had to be temp hostile, and not know where the grove is - those conditions can be maintained if you talk to her but don't have Sazza with you (if you have Sazza, the grove's location is revealed). As soon as she knows where the grove is the exploit wouldn't work. Was just hoping someone has tried it like this - talk to her, but don't reveal the grove, leave, then make her temp hostile, knock her out, and it should work. As I'd much prefer to talk to her first before doing the exploit...