finally killed the 3 goblin bosses

[Papa john]

then the devs say go ♥♥♥♥ yourself
every enemy is agrroing on you now
even though no drum was hit
there was no reason for these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to aggro
just lower the amount of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ enemy spam
this ♥♥♥♥ is almost as spammy as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ diablo game
i ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ give up

[Papa john]

Originally posted by Makkura:

It's kind of funny. Seemingly, the most obvious stealth kill opportunity for reddy mc redson is to lure him on the wooden bridge behind him to his left. The struts are only 1HP, easily destroyed from stealth.
Even though no one can know how it happend, even if your character is disguised, it pulls aggro when he dies.

I need to look up wether there is a) a possibility to build a explosive trap and lure him on it or b) hiding the shooter in some kind of smoke to circumvent vision after shooting helps.

But honestly, until I see a clip of someone killing him and then walking through the church unhindered I will just believe there is just a bogus trigger.

it is a trigger
a really stupid one or the genre that it is
it doesn't matter how well you do it it's going to ♥♥♥♥ you over

[BigJ]

You can always just...kill them all.

[lordgizka]

Yeah everyone aggros after you kill the last leader. Zhentarim also bugger off.

[Papa john]

Originally posted by Quineloe:

Originally posted by Yuuma:

doesn't change any of the problems i have
there's at least 25 or 30 goblins in the area
why?

goblins breed like vermin
fortunately they are as easy to kill

the fact there's a huge goblin army is broadcast to you on all channels after finding the druid grove.

so
plenty of games talk about "huge armies" and then don't make you fight the entire damn thing
you could literally be the stealthiest being alive and all of the enemies will still aggro on you
it's straight up bad design

[高天原]

Originally posted by Yuuma:

Originally posted by 高天原:

You can't fight Ragzlin without aggroing the camp. And it also proves Halsin right: Without their leadership the Goblins will fall back to their old ways.

And traditional Goblins are not very friendly, as you might have discovered. You may also have noticed that there is a lot of them.
Personally I released the spiders and used Lump's War Horn when things went down. Now that was fun.

problem is it's way too early to have a fight like that
it's insanely hard without cheese
they design the bosses in such a way that most players just push them in a hole
that is just a badly designed boss if thats the way you're meant to do it
razglin attacks 3 times a turn
does 8 to 20 damage an attack
and buffs everyone around him
there is no cope on this entire planet that can tell me thats a well designed boss

It.. really isn't that hard. It can be tough if you're new to D&D but I've found it pretty easy all things concidered. Nuking Ragzlin or killing his minions before they can benefit from his aura has worked wonders.

There are also chandeliers in the celling you can use to drop on the enemies. Or you can climb the ladder and just attack from the rafters.
Or you can use all of them at once + Lump's War Horn.

The Goblins have numbers, you have the power of creativity. Use it and their numbers will count for nothing. You can't win with brute force alone in this game and it establishes that very quickly.

[dulany67]

Kill the hobgoblin last.

[Papa john]

Originally posted by BigJ:

You can always just...kill them all.

why would i want to do that
these fights already take a long time
why would i want to spend 30 minutes killing a bunch of enemies that give you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
wow 20 gold worth of items to sell
so cool

[zero]

Originally posted by Quineloe:

drums only summon reinforcements to the current fight.

You didn't quietly assassinate them. Fighting is loud.

nah not for the 3 leaders.

you can destroy all the dums in the hobgolins room, and kill him from the rafters by shooting him into the pit and all the enemies on the map get hostile.

even if the door is shut and you kill every other goblin in the room, the entire zone simply becomes hostile.

killing the priest in in her room, even with people 5 feet away, is still silent (assuming she doesn't shout for help, which is the same as the drums)

[Quineloe]

Originally posted by Yuuma:

Originally posted by Quineloe:

goblins breed like vermin
fortunately they are as easy to kill

the fact there's a huge goblin army is broadcast to you on all channels after finding the druid grove.

so
plenty of games talk about "huge armies" and then don't make you fight the entire damn thing
you could literally be the stealthiest being alive and all of the enemies will still aggro on you
it's straight up bad design

There literally is an all seeing eye roaming the ruined temple. Did you not get far enough in the plot yet to realize what that thing does?

[Papa john]

Originally posted by dulany67:

Kill the hobgoblin last.

i did
the 10- 15 goblins in the main room are the problem

[高天原]

Originally posted by Yuuma:

Originally posted by dulany67:

Kill the hobgoblin last.

i did
the 10- 15 goblins in the main room are the problem

Just making you aware: You can fast-travel out of the room.

[Papa john]

Originally posted by Quineloe:

Originally posted by Yuuma:

so
plenty of games talk about "huge armies" and then don't make you fight the entire damn thing
you could literally be the stealthiest being alive and all of the enemies will still aggro on you
it's straight up bad design

There literally is an all seeing eye roaming the ruined temple. Did you not get far enough in the plot yet to realize what that thing does?

i literally don't care what it does
lore doesn't trump gameplay
the goblins are boring to fight and give you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for rewards
it's not worth my time for them to force me to fight 15 to 20 goblins just to leave

[Papa john]

Originally posted by 高天原:

Originally posted by Yuuma:

i did
the 10- 15 goblins in the main room are the problem

Just making you aware: You can fast-travel out of the room.

...
well
i guess that works
makes no sense to me but whatever

[homekeys]

the whole map inside and out has a lot of choke points and sightbreaks u can use to basically section up the enemy groups, especially in the courtyard. it is easy when u have the hang of it, i think. but yeah i found it overwhelming at first too and it took me a few tries to not get TPK'd.

[Papa john]

Originally posted by homekeys:

the whole map inside and out has a lot of choke points and sightbreaks u can use to basically section up the enemy groups, especially in the courtyard. it is easy when u have the hang of it, i think. but yeah i found it overwhelming at first too and it took me a few tries to not get TPK'd.

i literally didn't even get into the main room before all of them aggro'd on me
i was fighting the 3 goblins above the spider's