Haste is totally broken in this game.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

In 5e the haste spell lets you take one additional action, that action can't be a spell and it can't be more than a single attack.

I just used it for the first time and noticed that my wizard can now throw two fire balls every turn and my fighter can attack four times, with action surge six.

Easily the strongest buff spell in the entire game now.

[doublejesus]

Haste is still good in TT there's a reason I end up with twinned spell haste sorc when I play with other people. As much as I rather use offensive spells turning two martial classes into roided out ubermensch is just too good to pass up.

[Noctoculus]

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

Originally posted by Ephemerant:

The Haste spell in 5e specifically states that the Hastened Action can only be one additional attack, not another use of the Extra Attacks feature.

I think he thinks I used haste for the first time at level 11, which I did not.

No, I'm just saying it gets more ridiculous.

[ACS36]

That's why I don't use it. Games too easy as it is. I don't know what the developers were thinking including haste in this form in the game. Part of the issue is it's too easy to get speed potions. The game economy needs a lot of tweaking.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by Rex:

pure drivel

I read the post just fine, you want to use flowery language to try and sound smart you be my guest but lets not pretend anything you just said even remotely approached an intelligent point.

My point is that in the source material haste is a very different spell with a very different limit to how strong it can make someone, and wisely that spell does not benefit a caster because the core of 5e casting is one leveled spell per turn. That's a hard rule the entire game is designed around and this change destroys any semblance of that balance.

This changes the spell from a handy buff that's nice on a martial to the single best use of concentration in the game bar none. That's not subjective that's an objective consequence.

If you can't understand that I can't help you because it's not a complex thing to understand.

Baseline a sorcerer can cast one leveled spell per turn, with this change and the changes to quicken spell they can cast three. That's objectively stupidly broken if you don't adjust any of the spells and add that kind of power. You go from a max of one fireball per turn to three per turn. With two casters and twin spell you can potentially go from two spells to five. That's pure lunacy and would break any semblance of a challenge the game had.

I mean good lord you want to talk nova you go from 8d6 against 2-3 targets optimally to 24d6 in a single round. Against three targets that's 72d6 fire damage in one turn.

[Blackfrost]

Username checks out :D

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Blackfrost:

I miss 3rd edition haste :'(

3rd edition Haste was an AoE.

5th edition Haste is a single target.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Blackfrost:

I miss 3rd edition haste :'(

3rd edition Haste was an AoE.

5th edition Haste is a single target.

3rd edition you couldn't move and attack more than once as a martial so I'll take my single target haste and be able to both move and attack multiple times.

[Indure]

Originally posted by Sentient_Toaster:

That's quite the buff to the spell, but I can imagine that the alternative of building a UI and in-game tooltips to properly implement it in a way easily understood by players completely unfamiliar with D&D might be have been considered not worth the effort.

I played a mod that fixed haste and it worked rather elegantly. When under haste you got a new icon on the toolbar that when clicked went to a submenu that had all viable actions you could take with the extra action. Super easy to use and understand.