Are Githyanki players Happy with Vlaakith's representation or displeased?

[Daryl]

Asking the DnD players and Forgotten Realms adventurers
whats your opinion on Vlaakith?

[PocketYoda]

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Not in the main rules, unless they were just an enemy in the monster manual.. Our DM forbid us from reading that.

Gith, being githyankis or githzerai (which are the "good" giths and are kind of a copy paste of jedis), are usually not a playable race outside of planescape (pretty much anything is fair game in planescape) and spelljammer.

Fun fact, githyankis are portrayed as enemies and npcs in baldur's gate 2 in chapter 5 (you can even get one of their silverblades). And there is a githzerai companion in planescape torment.

I don't remember any of that..

I never saw them once in 1st or 2nd ed books.

[Dr. Sinclair]

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My main concern is that wish doesn't kill.

It can mimic spells that harm people, but wish itself cannot be used to just kill someone. The fact she casts wish on you to kill you for questioning her is silly.

She's not a god, she's not even actually there, she's just a powerful lich that's convinced her species to sustain her through guile and lies, good for her I suppose.

Orpheus is far more interesting. And I really wish I could have interacted with him far more in the game than just at the bare end of a buggy 3rd act.

https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Wish#content

For reference, this is what Wish does in D&D 5e.

This entire interaction is awful, and It gives Vlakkath more power than she actually has. She's a deadly lich, sure. But the only spell that can just outright kill is Powerword: Kill, which doesn't work on any targets over 100 hp. (And seems to only be a power Bhaal Lord of Murder can provide in this specific setting)

Again, Vlakkath is NOT a god, it's not some divine enhanced wish, she's just a powerful lich, that's out in the Astral Sea, she's not even on the prime plane. It's just her projection.

Having all the Githyanki Attack me for mocking their supposed god? Sure, 100% makes sense. Fine. That makes sense, but her being entire planes of existence away and casting wish through a projection to just instant kill an adventurer that sassed her? That makes no sense at all, and is narratively and mechanically stupid.

to be fair they have already shown they dont mind twisting how powerful spells work, look at true resurrection from gale's quest

[Drake]

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Gith, being githyankis or githzerai (which are the "good" giths and are kind of a copy paste of jedis), are usually not a playable race outside of planescape (pretty much anything is fair game in planescape) and spelljammer.

Fun fact, githyankis are portrayed as enemies and npcs in baldur's gate 2 in chapter 5 (you can even get one of their silverblades). And there is a githzerai companion in planescape torment.

I don't remember any of that..

I never saw them once in 1st or 2nd ed books.

Githyankis are in the outer plane appendix. Githzerais are in the the planeswalker handbook

[PocketYoda]

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I don't remember any of that..

I never saw them once in 1st or 2nd ed books.

Githyankis are in the outer plane appendix. Githzerais are in the the planeswalker handbook

Ok makes sense we didn't own either of those, thats why.

[GrandMajora]

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My main concern is that wish doesn't kill.

It can mimic spells that harm people, but wish itself cannot be used to just kill someone. The fact she casts wish on you to kill you for questioning her is silly.

Finger of Death

Symbol of Death

Power Word Kill

Wail of the Banshee

Disintegrate

Weird

All of these spells used to be one shot kills in older editions of D&D. If you failed to make your saving throw, the target of the spell just dropped dead right there.

So if Wish can be used to mimic the effects of other spells, then yes, it can be used to kill people.

[Drake]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez dolby:

apparently Githyanki players are super rare no one likes Githyanki.

Well the Githyanki don't like anybody else, so it seems we have an understanding. Keep off their property, violators will be shot.

Yeah playing githyankis is pretty much reserved for evil parties and epic campaigns (because they have strong stats) so it's a niche gameplay. Githzerais are more common in planescape campaigns (since they're part of the planescape handbook).

[Arngrim]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Nyaria:

My main concern is that wish doesn't kill.

It can mimic spells that harm people, but wish itself cannot be used to just kill someone. The fact she casts wish on you to kill you for questioning her is silly.

She's not a god, she's not even actually there, she's just a powerful lich that's convinced her species to sustain her through guile and lies, good for her I suppose.

Orpheus is far more interesting. And I really wish I could have interacted with him far more in the game than just at the bare end of a buggy 3rd act.

https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Wish#content

For reference, this is what Wish does in D&D 5e.

This entire interaction is awful, and It gives Vlakkath more power than she actually has. She's a deadly lich, sure. But the only spell that can just outright kill is Powerword: Kill, which doesn't work on any targets over 100 hp. (And seems to only be a power Bhaal Lord of Murder can provide in this specific setting)

Again, Vlakkath is NOT a god, it's not some divine enhanced wish, she's just a powerful lich, that's out in the Astral Sea, she's not even on the prime plane. It's just her projection.

Having all the Githyanki Attack me for mocking their supposed god? Sure, 100% makes sense. Fine. That makes sense, but her being entire planes of existence away and casting wish through a projection to just instant kill an adventurer that sassed her? That makes no sense at all, and is narratively and mechanically stupid.

Wish can be used to wish someone dead. It´s incredibly stupid to try, but I is possible.

[GrandMajora]

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Wish can be used to wish someone dead. It´s incredibly stupid to try, but I is possible.

Why would it be stupid to try?

[Dr. Sinclair]

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Wish can be used to wish someone dead. It´s incredibly stupid to try, but I is possible.

Why would it be stupid to try?

because they might end up "dead" in a different way than you expected
eg. the DM might simply make them into a much more powerful undead creature that is technically.... well, dead.
power word: kill is much more reliable in this matter.

[GrandMajora]

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Why would it be stupid to try?

because they might end up "dead" in a different way than you expected
eg. the DM might simply make them into a much more powerful undead creature that is technically.... well, dead.
power word: kill is much more reliable in this matter.

I think turning somebody undead would happen if you wished them back to life, but accidentally used the phrase 'raise' instead of 'revive'.

In older editions of the game (such as BG 2), the Wish spell tended to grant the literal definition of your Wish. The outcome of which was based on your Intelligence or Wisdom score. The smarter / wiser you were, the better chance of the spell understanding what you wanted.

If you were too dumb or foolish, then the spell might backfire in ways both horrifying, and comical.

[Arngrim]

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Wish can be used to wish someone dead. It´s incredibly stupid to try, but I is possible.

Why would it be stupid to try?

Wish "could" kill them. Or turn them into a lich, or some other not wanted outcome (wording is very important).
Since you used wish for a purpose other than spells you can suffer from a type of damaging withdrawal that has 1 in 3 or so chance to erase your ability to use wish forever. (Or am I thinking of an older edition?)

[GrandMajora]

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Wish "could" kill them. Or turn them into a lich, or some other not wanted outcome (wording is very important).
Since you used wish for a purpose other than spells you can suffer from a type of damaging withdrawal that has 1 in 3 or so chance to erase your ability to use wish forever. (Or am I thinking of an older edition?)

That's an older edition, when there was a 1 in 3 chance of permanently losing the ability to cast it. It was a reference to genies granting you 3 wishes before they had to find a new master.

Additionally, any casting of Wish caused the user to age by 10 years, meaning that after casting it 3 times, you would age 3 whole decades.

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Now, maybe I failed my Wisdom check somehow, but I don't see how "I wish you to end" could be misinterpreted as "I wish you to become an almost unkillable lich."

[MrSoul]

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I played a gith lore bard and loved the interactions with Vlaakith. Especially when I questioned why a god would need the help of a mortal and she used Wish to end me.

You can use this with any character, even when you're noth a gith yourself. It's a dead end and well, it makes sense.

Ya, got a good laugh out of me and my buddy playing coop with.

He’s a paladin so totally did the whole “you’re a bad person and I’m the warrior of Justice and goodness”…deleted.

We um, decided to “humour” her on next try xD

[Settings]

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i trusted my guardian because she is a waifu xD
but im about just had it with all these secrets
like tell me who or what you are if you want my trust ffs

fun fact, it was actually your waifu durning EA. you were selecting what kind of partner you dream of, not a "guardian"

Yeah and it was a way cooler system to have a "dream lover" seducing you to death in your sleep instead of, "I DONT HAVE TIME TO EXPLAIN! WE GOTTA GET YOU A BRAIN WORM RIGHT NOW JUST FUGGIN TRUST ME BRO"

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Why is she so big?