It seems like warlock is MUCH more powerful than Wizard?

[Vi]

Is this the case for ya'll?

[DiscoNemesis]

My experience is that warlock is way too limited for my tastes, they have less and worse spells than some martial subclasses classes do
Tho wizard in general is a weak class

[Lily]

Originally posted by Vi:

Is this the case for ya'll?

Warlock is sorta a hybrid role as far as the game is concerned. Its got some utility the wizard has, but not nearly as much as the wizard and its far more limited in combat in these sort of control roles. As far as Damage goes, Warlock is going to run circles around the Wizard for sure, provided we ignore the superior summoning potential of Wizard.

Warlock is better compared to Ranger or Rogue since it fills a similar role on the battlefield. In some cases the warlock is superior. Resource-less control with Eldritch blast. And Spell control with spells like hunger of Hadar, Plant growth, Black Tentacles and Slow. Warlock's advantage over Wizards in this department is they can use their higher level spells more often during long days. But that is at the cost of flexibility in combat.

Rangers and Rogues can output similar damage, thanks to some magic items Warlock's Damage is competitive with ranger's. But Ranger and rogue have access to arrows which Eldritch blast can't use, so its a matter of pick which one you think will be better. Warlock's best Armor in the game also lacks an armor class so you'll be easier to kill than a ranger with Medium armor and a shield.

Warlocks are a power house if you know how to use them. But they don't compare to wizards. Its hard to compare to wizards. A Bard or Druid may be able to, but not Warlock i'm afraid.

[Szorrin]

Originally posted by Jacob:

Firebolt can be more powerful than Eldritch Blast you just need a few things firstly its only for sorcerer because draconic bloodline makes it where you add your charisma modifier to the damage of spells of the chosen element or fire in this case and then you take the feat elemental adept fire for increased minimum damage and bypass resistance. This makes single target firebolt do 11-35 damage and multicast for one sorcery point do 22-70 damage at level 10 which is better than eldritch 8-35 damage only thing eldritch has is it can be split 3 ways and the knockback.

Fire Bolt only adds your CHA modifier once with Draconic Bloodline, even when the damage increases at levels 5 and 10. Eldritch Blast adds additional beams (with their own attack rolls) and you add your CHA modifier to each individual beam. This is why Eldritch Blast is the highest damaging cantrip.

[Dailao]

Originally posted by Deskath...:

Not really, you have two spells only per combat. And warlocks spells arent known for high dps output. If you compare to Gales fireball barrage the warlock barly scratches the surface of dps :D

Burst dps and then you're out... that helps in certain situations sure. Most of the time hitting multiple enemies (and pushing them back) is far more useful. A wizard has unbeatable utility though for many out of combat situations.

[Ronin Gamer]

Originally posted by Vi:

Is this the case for ya'll?

No, they are different. Different doesn't mean they are better or worse directly.
And if I was to say from personal use, I'd argue wizard gives you more to work with in the grand scheme of how the game works.

[Caramel_Clown]

Wizards have a ton of utility Warlock can't even dream of. You have to remember that majority of the game is really not combat, it's everything else. Dialogues, exploration, environmental interactions. Wizard has every tool imaginable to help you navigate and interact with the world. Fly, teleport, magically interact with items, make characters invisible, manipulate NPCs, etc. The list keeps going. Traditionally in DnD some classes are better in combat than others, there's really no attempt to "perfectly" balance each class. It would remove some of the flavor.
Also, considering how many spell slots wizards have past the initial phase of combat all you do on Warlock is eldrich blast. Which is a decent cantrip, but it's just that...decent. Wizard can be chucking fireballs, blinding enemies, manipulating the battlefield all day long. In extended fights wizards will shine.

[Teddy]

warlock have limited amount of spells, wiz can learn whatever. Speed + bless is so op and let Gale just go full aoe ham and you win win

[Bramhar]

If only resting was a problem. Guess what? Resting is not a problem. ehehehehehehe

[ACS36]

All classes work fine in the game.

[paladin181]

in early game, absolutely. In mid-to-late game? Wizard owns.

[Ao Bai Gaming]

Warlocks are in a strange position in this game. On one hand, they can abuse the living hell out of spell slots and just have a free short rest at the end of every combat to replenish their low amount in comparison to Wizards or Sorcerers, but they essentially can't use any utility spells or risk not having that one big boom when the party could really need it. Misty Step can save a caster's life, but if you're a Warlock, you're basically flushing your damage potential down the toilet if you get in such a bad position that you need to use it. You can argue Eldritch Blast, but as reliable as it is, some people don't want to spam the same spell over and over again while the other caster classes get to sling around a morbillion cool looking spells while you have to scrape for every cast in-combat, and are unable to really use utility outside of combat without being a nuisance and having to beg the party to use a short rest despite not needing the heals.

They do, however, get to abuse the way short/long rests are in this game to basically have 3x the normal spell slots they usually should be allocated for no cost whatsoever, 4x if you have a Bard on your party. In a practical D&D setting, you wouldn't be abusing short/long rests like this game allows, as in a practical setting, you're usually timed on a LOT of stuff that pertains to your game session. This game actually makes Warlocks not have to do calculus to balance out their lack of spell slots, and they do really get to shine with their unique mechanics in comparison to the typical metamage slinging Sorcerer.

So yeah, they're in a good position both here and in actual 5E, it's just some people may find them boring due to how limited their available utilities are. After all, making a dark pact with some hellbeast or unfathomable horror should feel more impressive than just being an offshoot ranger that uses Eldritch Blast instead of a Heavy Crossbow.

[Bror]

At lvl 10 the evocation wizard gets Empowered Evocation thats adds INT modifiers to evocation spells, magic missle and scorcing rays becomes OP

[HoneyDrake]

Originally posted by Caramel_Clown:

Wizards have a ton of utility Warlock can't even dream of. You have to remember that majority of the game is really not combat, it's everything else. Dialogues, exploration, environmental interactions. Wizard has every tool imaginable to help you navigate and interact with the world. Fly, teleport, magically interact with items, make characters invisible, manipulate NPCs, etc. The list keeps going. Traditionally in DnD some classes are better in combat than others, there's really no attempt to "perfectly" balance each class. It would remove some of the flavor.
Also, considering how many spell slots wizards have past the initial phase of combat all you do on Warlock is eldrich blast. Which is a decent cantrip, but it's just that...decent. Wizard can be chucking fireballs, blinding enemies, manipulating the battlefield all day long. In extended fights wizards will shine.

while you are not wrong, the game showers you with items, potions and scrolls which will help you do exactly that.
On top of that most secrets have multiply solutions.

Sorcerer > Wizard in most occasions
Wizard > Warlock if you don't mind resting regularly. And there are zero downs for long rests each encounter

Warlock as a spellcaster is outshined in this game

But you will not "suffer" from playing a class outshined by some other class in certain regards.

[Fíro]

lv 6 spells on sorc dump everyone XD

[Ancient Toaster]

Warlock is good but Wizard has far more utility. The fact that Warlock only has two spell slots until level 10 isn't the worst thing in the world, considering it's a short rest caster, however it's limiting regardless. They do cast their spells at the highest level though, so if you cast a Fireball it's gonna hit the hardest and most effective it can.

They can cast a lot of spells for free with invocations but most of those are not that great.

Eldritch Blast is one of if not the most powerful spell in the game and it's a cantrip. With Invocations it's extremely powerful from level 1 all the way to the end, where you can have three beams, each hitting with +CHA to damage and pushing targets, as well as having three beams that can be stacked on one single target or split.

But really, Multiclass Sorceror/Warlock is better than Pure warlock. All the benefits of Warlock's extremely powerful Cantrip with more spells, meta magic and more utility.