What are the worst classes?

[Bastila Shan]

What are the least useful classes that are so bad compared to the others that theres no point in trying them? So far rogue seems like the worst one ive seen with its only use being lockpicking

[Martin]

Originally posted by Bastila Shan:

What are the least useful classes that are so bad compared to the others that theres no point in trying them? So far rogue seems like the worst one ive seen with its only use being lockpicking

Rogue.
Ranger.
Sorc.
Wizard.
Warlock.
Barb.
Fighter.
Monk.
The Best classes are Cleric and Paladin.. esp if multi classed with the Sorc/Warlock.

[Typha]

Originally posted by Befitzero:

Rogue is actually pretty great if you know how to play them right. The best way to play them is have them start the fight every time. Granted it doesn't always work on major boss fights.

I detach mine from the group by pulling his portrait away and have him sneak up to a group before combat. Make sure you are holding down shift to see line of sight and keep him out of it and stick to the shadows. I move the rest of the party just in out of range to not start the fight but close enough to have them join the fight. Don't try to sneak in with the whole party the rest of your group will get you spotted. Remove him from party mode by dragging his picture until the chain breaks.

I picked assassin as my subclass which gets a bonus to sneak attacks. Once I have him in position from the shadows I use a sneak attack (Usually ranged), once combat kicks off I click on the rest of partied group and have them join the fight.

Pick my rogue again hold down shift and use his dash bonus action to run out of line of sight. When its his turn again hide , keep him out of LOS and attack from the shadows again. Rinse and repeat. If he gets surrounded use disengage

The game never explains the best way to play a rogue, lot of good YouTube videos out there to show you,

Rogue excels at a hit and run play style.

That's how it is in tabletop as well, good players get way more out of rogues in combat than beginners.

[2LambBuna]

Originally posted by Midnight:

Originally posted by 2LambBuna:

lore bard isn't meh at all, cutting words and extra magical secrets are the bomb. one of the party just about to get hit by a big damage attack on a roll of 18 when 17 needed - boom cutting words, chucked your highest damage spell at a boss and wiffed the attack roll by 2 or 3 points - boom cutting words again. It's needs to be turnned off as an automatic reaction though on the character sheet to get the most out of it. also so many chances with a lore bard to inflict disadvantage, which is great because it makes freaky critical 20 hits by enemies much rarer

I don't mean that it's not powerful. Any full caster is really.

But outside of that one fairly situational feature you're just a basic caster Bard.

Sword Bard gets all of the spells and whatnot but you have something to do with your kit just in general encounters. I find that many encounters don't warrant me using my control spells or inspiration buff. So I'm glad to have some combat options to play around with.

Of course in tough encounters you can still buff yourself to the gills and put the hurt on enemies yourself.

no lore bard gets more spells than valour and swords bards. when you get to select spells from other lists with magical secrets, lore has extra magical secrets which means those spells are in addition to the regular bard spells, where as lore and sword bards get them as replacements for the bard spells. also cutting words really really is one of the best abilities going, can save so many suck or win situations. lore bards dont tend to use the inspiration buff as the dice are better held in reserve for cutting words.

[Martin]

Originally posted by zyekian:

That's how it is in tabletop as well, good players get way more out of rogues in combat than beginners.

Not in this game you don't. You either spend alot of time running away.. and given the avg terrain, that's almost impossible to do most of the time. Assassin is fun sometimes.. the Thief is usually what i make astarion and i keep him at camp to unlock chests or remove traps.. as required. I don't use him in the field.. he lasts about 1 hit.

[Kadotus]

I think all the classes are so OP that Blizzard would just nerf them to the ground, were it their game.

[Yagger]

Originally posted by Farsha:

Originally posted by OTSEchoZenLogos:

Bards are probably bad overall

Bard overal might be the strongest class in DnD 5e and in BG3.
Excellent out of combat and in combat.
This is not 3.5e where bards were a meme.
Their spell list and features are top notch.

bard hasn't been enjoyable since neverwinter nights 1

[Arran Chace]

There are in 5E no bad classes, only bad builds.
And Certain races just ain't working well for certain classes, but in general a Gnome Barbarian is when build correctly as good as a Orc Barbarian, just maybe lacks a bit of range, and a Orc mage as good as a Gnome Mage.

Only thing that can make them bad is how you use the skills, and items you give them, and how you use them in combat.
Personally i love Rogues/Stealth Rangers, and my Drow Main Bounty Hunter Archer and Astation make a pretty awesome team, only use ShadowHeart as healbot for Lae'zel, and Lae'zel as DMG sponse to buy time so Astarion and my Drow Main have room to move, and kill everything off..

Most kills already happen on the first round with my group, most fights never last more as 3 rounds, due the insane dmg Astarion and my Drow Archer do due high initiative, multible attackes per round, Luck and several items.

But if i use them incorrectly and think they are fighters... yeah, things go bad asap..

[lazarusblack]

Vanilla Warlock kinda limps along. I think Warlock shines most when multiclassing. Otherwise, underwhelming.

[Zouls]

Originally posted by Muscarine:

Monk has been pretty terrible until level 5 where it starts to pickup steam due to the additional attack, but at this point other classes do to so it's still fairly underwhelming

A Rogue does twice as much as a Monk from level 1, you can practically do everything a Monk does, twice per turn, and without having to split hair on a silly Ki resource

really? already early on the staff attack + flurry of blows has done good damage.

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by Martin:

Originally posted by Bastila Shan:

What are the least useful classes that are so bad compared to the others that theres no point in trying them? So far rogue seems like the worst one ive seen with its only use being lockpicking

Rogue.
Ranger.
Sorc.
Wizard.
Warlock.
Barb.
Fighter.
Monk.
The Best classes are Cleric and Paladin.. esp if multi classed with the Sorc/Warlock.

Barbarian would have been a great one to multiclass with if Rage didn't impose a heavy to hit penalty on bonus actions that increases the longer you are in rage mode.

[Dagný]

Originally posted by lazarusblack:

Vanilla Warlock kinda limps along. I think Warlock shines most when multiclassing. Otherwise, underwhelming.

Really?

I just watched this and it looks great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4Bedh-HrQ&t=1079s

[Zouls]

Originally posted by Dahlia Hawthorne:

Originally posted by lazarusblack:

Vanilla Warlock kinda limps along. I think Warlock shines most when multiclassing. Otherwise, underwhelming.

Really?

I just watched this and it looks great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4Bedh-HrQ&t=1079s

5e warlock in general is just kinda boring is about it, it has always been the "martial of the spellcasters" spamming eldritch blast because you can give it insane range and 1d10 + cha mod damage.

[lazarusblack]

Originally posted by Dahlia Hawthorne:

Originally posted by lazarusblack:

Vanilla Warlock kinda limps along. I think Warlock shines most when multiclassing. Otherwise, underwhelming.

Really?

I just watched this and it looks great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4Bedh-HrQ&t=1079s

It's a bit of a one trick pony. What spells and abilities you choose will make some difference, but they never really feel like that are getting as powerful as they could be.

When you multiclass, they seem better. Sorlock for example, is pretty good (may be biased, i like sorcerors)

[lazarusblack]

Originally posted by Zouls:

Originally posted by Dahlia Hawthorne:

Really?

I just watched this and it looks great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4Bedh-HrQ&t=1079s

5e warlock in general is just kinda boring is about it, it has always been the "martial of the spellcasters" spamming eldritch blast because you can give it insane range and 1d10 + cha mod damage.

This, they are good a moderate to lower-high, regular damage but they aren't your heavy hitter class. Kinda dull to play with.

[EricHVela]

Unless you're going into engineering (mechanical, social, electrical, geologic, etc.), Calculus is a dumb class to take (even though I was great at it... but I never use anything beyond a geometry/algebra level of maths out here in the real world).

I've found a use for every class so far. If you're looking for versatility in just one character, I think you'll be less satisfied. It seems that BG3 likes characters to have a focus on a set of abilities rather than a jack of all trades (not meaning the feat).