FYI, Paladin Doesn't Use Strength for Spellcasting

[TheMasterBlaster]

In the character creation menu for the Paladin, the Abilities menu with Str, Dex, Con, Int, Wis, and Cha has a star above Str indicating it is the primary stat for the Paladin class.

The tooltip for the star states that Strength is used for the Paladin's attack and damage rolls for weapons AND SPELLS. uh, NO it isn't! Paladins use Cha for all spell rolls, not Str!

Also, a Dex Paladin can use Finesse Weapons and have Str as the dump stat just like most other classes.

In fact, there's very little about the Paladin class that relies on Strength, which is literally the least useful stat for most builds and classes.

[Kizuna Dragon]

Doesn't use Wisdom either anymore apparently.... god i hate 5th edition

[BigJ]

You still likely want strenght to stack with your paladin weapon of choice, or dex if you roll that way. Stacking charisma alone will leave you butt naked against radiant resistant/immune enemies. You can also stack damage hard with certain potions if you hit 20 strenght.

[BigJ]

Originally posted by Kizuna Dragon:

Doesn't use Wisdom either anymore apparently.... god i hate 5th edition

4 wisdom casters is more than enough.
Only need some int casters.

[Kyutaru]

And for people wanting to use only one stat for everything, make a Pally Lock! Crossing with Warlock gives you the blade pact that lets you use your Charisma for weapon attack and damage rolls.

[Homebrew]

Didn't notice that. Definitely a typo on their part, because yeah, CHA. Also I recommend playing a pally before you get too tempted by a fighter, because holy christ there are more CHA checks in this game than anything else.

[DohItAgain]

Paladin doesn't really need a stat for their spellcasts.
Most spells you'll cast don't have a to-hit; being buffs; and WIS won't do much for those.
And most of the other uses for your spellslots are going to be smiting things for huge amounts of damage, which'll be based on your weapon roll. Not your spell roll.

[Icedfate]

charisma has always been one of the paladin's main stats, ever since gygax created the class.
in 2e, you had you have 15 cha just to "be" a paladin.
in 3e and parhfinder, most of their abilities scale with CHA.
STR has never been used for anything other than melee combat, damage, carry weight, forcing doors open etc. . . no class has ever "scaled with strength". even a fighter doesn't explicitly need strength because we have finesse weapons. a dex build fighter is viable.
even barbarian, i believe their most important stats are dex and con because AC comes from that and then STR comes after those.

paladin is basically a fighter with extra powers and in order to offset that greater power, they are MAD(Multi Ability Dependent).

[Kizuna Dragon]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

And for people wanting to use only one stat for everything, make a Pally Lock! Crossing with Warlock gives you the blade pact that lets you use your Charisma for weapon attack and damage rolls.

Waridin is actually a cool concept for RP, swearing an oath and at the same time in service to a pact

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Icedfate:

paladin is basically a fighter with extra powers and in order to offset that greater power, they are MAD(Multi Ability Dependent).

Not in 5th though. Now they have about equal powers and Fighters get the advantage being STR smashes who can act multiple times in one turn.

[Icedfate]

i played at a table, someone had 2 levels of paladin, the rest in sorceror.
their sorceror spell slots fueled their smites and they stopped leveling paladin at 2 so they didn't have to take an oath

[GrandMajora]

Who the hell told you that they did?

[Aeternum]

Originally posted by Kizuna Dragon:

Doesn't use Wisdom either anymore apparently.... god i hate 5th edition

But the interns worked really hard on the 5e.

[Sentient_Toaster]

Barbarians are strongly encouraged to use strength weapons because you otherwise don't get extra damage from Rage, and more importantly can't you can't use Reckless Attack if you're not attacking with strength. So, you can't go elven-accuracy rapier barbarian rolling 3d20 for every attack (~14.2% crit chance, jumping to 27% if you take three levels of figher for Champion's improved critical).

But paladins... sure, go dexterity if you want. You'll either have to give up the -5/+10 options (because there's no equivalent to GWM for finesse melee weapons) or smiting (since 5E doesn't let you divine smite with a ranged weapon attack). Reducing your MADness and letting you focus on dexterity for better initiatives and saves may well be worth it, though.

[TheMasterBlaster]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Who the hell told you that they did?

did you actually read the post or just the post title...

[Icedfate]

and i like fighter. my favorite type of fighter is a dual wielder, and i hate how 5e nerfed dual wielding, that you have to use your bonus action to attack with the offhand and never ever get more than 1 attack with it, making it scale poorly compared to great weapon fighting