How does minsc and jaheira make any sense?

[Etagloc]

Atleast when you come from BG2.
I could see them being cool NPC's to meet, I would love to see that.

But it just does not make sense to me, that they can join your party. They are even part of the "CANNON PARTY" for bg 2.

Last time I saw them as an old school fan. One of them could turn into a Dragon and the other could go toe to toe with a greater demon.

This game end at what, level 10?
(were Throne of bhaal) is level 20+

As a old school BG fan it makes zero sense to me. ;/

[Cirrus]

Originally posted by WeenerTuck813:

Originally posted by larhtas:

Hi, she has been confirmed as recruit-able.

Is this true?
Last I read she was NOT recruitable but minsc was. Or, I should rephrase, she was recruitable as like a camp-companion like Haslin or the Deep Gnome guy. But that’s just word of mouth.

Only on about same or next day of the teaser trailer.
https://www.pcgames.de/Baldurs-Gate-3-Spiel-18525/News/Baldurs-Gate-3-Release-Minsc-Boo-Jaheira-Collectors-Edition-Patch-9-Panel-from-Hell-1409094/

”Game Director Swen Vincke hat uns im Gespräch verraten, dass Minsc (und Boo) und Jaheira als Begleiter rekrutiert, aber nicht als Origin-Charaktere selbst gespielt werden können”

Which means minsc and jaheira can be recruited as companions, but they cannot be played as origin characters.

[Dragon Master]

Minsc was petrified for over 100 years and Jaheira is really old and would be in the latter end of a half-elf's lifespan.

[realism51]

Originally posted by brendan_in_china:

Gale and Wyll banter about how their power has been reduced since being infected. If half of what Gale says is true, he was an actual archmage, that's level 17+. Wyll genuinely sounds like he could deal with hill giants, so that's minimum 5th in a party or 9th alone.

I don't think Lae'zel or Shadowheart were ever so powerful. Lae'zel boasts of killing neogi but wasn't much more than a veteran soldier. SH got the double whammy of suppressed memories then tadpoled.

Astarion never got to exercise his power part from luring young noblepeople to their doom.

Karlach sounds like she was a paladin but lost her powers when she broke with Zariel.

Minsc is sounding like an uber party member, if you can recruit him. Other D&D games have done this (ToEE) and it harkens back to old-skool D&D where everyone kept their characters and pulled out one for any given dungeon. The levels would be all over the place and you'd develop party tactics around the top 2 guys.

Jaheira doesn't look like a party member, more like a Halsin who can help you fight.

Combat skills atrophy with old age, and frankly Jaheira was never the best fighter in any of my parties. I wouldn't be surprised if her power has been abstracted to say level 10 fighter/druid. That's not exactly a killer combo. No need to change her ability scores much.

You have to remember that Jaheira is a LOT older than she looks. It was hinted at in BG2 and when you find her grove lair basement in BG3 you get a confirmation. The book she has down there is about pushing one past the limits of their body, a semi immortality. And anytime you ask Jaheira anything about family or age in any of the games, she avoids the question entirely. Never ask a woman her age right?
I am willing to bet that Jaheira is at least double the natural life span of an average half elf.

[seeker1]

Originally posted by Etagloc:

Atleast when you come from BG2.
But it just does not make sense to me, that they can join your party. They are even part of the "CANNON PARTY" for bg 2.

Arise Necro-Thread! ARISE!

Yeah, well, if you asked Minsc if he would volunteer to be fired at the enemy after being shot out of a cannon, I think he would say yes.

[Paps()]

Originally posted by Etagloc:

Atleast when you come from BG2.
I could see them being cool NPC's to meet, I would love to see that.

But it just does not make sense to me, that they can join your party. They are even part of the "CANNON PARTY" for bg 2.

Last time I saw them as an old school fan. One of them could turn into a Dragon and the other could go toe to toe with a greater demon.

This game end at what, level 10?
(were Throne of bhaal) is level 20+

As a old school BG fan it makes zero sense to me. ;/

Someone needs to learn what 'Ludonarrative Dissonance' is.

[Lani]

New record holder for longest-dead before necro post!

[Rain]

Neverwinter MMO has Minsc turned to stone. This is around 1480-1490 give or take. I believe Jaheira references this in Act 3.

BG3 takes place just a few years afterward. Jaheira being half-elf means she lives a long time. Not only that, but also iirc, there is a age extending druidic ritual mentioned in-game.

Makes sense to me.

[Lani]

Jaheira mentions that during the year 1347, she was a child, which was about 146 years ago. Let's round it off at 150 shall we?
Half-Elves on Faerun live about 180 years.
US average lifespan is a tad shorter, 77.28 years, so comparative age for her as an American human she'd be about 61 years old. She looks her age and lifestyle in the game.

Minsc's age is a bit trickier. Being petrified for a century, give or take, tends to make things confusing.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Lani:

Jaheira mentions that during the year 1347, she was a child, which was about 146 years ago. Let's round it off at 150 shall we?
Half-Elves on Faerun live about 180 years.
US average lifespan is a tad shorter, 77.28 years, so comparative age for her as an American human she'd be about 61 years old. She looks her age and lifestyle in the game.

She's also a Druid, who after reaching a certain level, begin aging at only 1 / 10th the normal rate.

[Lani]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Lani:

Jaheira mentions that during the year 1347, she was a child, which was about 146 years ago. Let's round it off at 150 shall we?
Half-Elves on Faerun live about 180 years.
US average lifespan is a tad shorter, 77.28 years, so comparative age for her as an American human she'd be about 61 years old. She looks her age and lifestyle in the game.

She's also a Druid, who after reaching a certain level, begin aging at only 1 / 10th the normal rate.

Fair enough, Unfortunately her character level is always in flux so it's impossible to account for. I'm approaching this from a narrative standpoint, not so much a game system one. I mean which one are we following? AD&D/2.5? Bioware's bastardization*? 4e, 5e? Larian's bastardization of 5e?

Let's say druid's slow aging takes of 10 years, but decades of frequent rough living including fighting and wound recovering adds about 10 as well.

*Bastardization is not meant as a pejorative in this context.

[GrundleGrump]

*canon

[ChloroformNapkin]

Originally posted by brendan_in_china:

Combat skills atrophy with old age, and frankly Jaheira was never the best fighter in any of my parties. I wouldn't be surprised if her power has been abstracted to say level 10 fighter/druid. That's not exactly a killer combo. No need to change her ability scores much.

Jaheira is very OP with fire elements and summons. I learned to have her throw 4 or 5 pets at a group of enemies then cast wall of flame or flaming armor and just sit back and watch the show.

[Ellie]

Originally posted by Young Clancey:

It's egregious fan service and thus my intention personally is to kill them in a comical or savage way.

What issues do people have with fan service? I'm a fan, I love being serviced.

Man, I was hoping to run into Imoen.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Lani:

Fair enough, Unfortunately her character level is always in flux so it's impossible to account for. I'm approaching this from a narrative standpoint, not so much a game system one. I mean which one are we following? AD&D/2.5? Bioware's bastardization*? 4e, 5e? Larian's bastardization of 5e?

Let's say druid's slow aging takes of 10 years, but decades of frequent rough living including fighting and wound recovering adds about 10 as well.

*Bastardization is not meant as a pejorative in this context.

I know we're not, but if we include 'One D&D' into the mix, then the lifespan of mixed races takes the lifespan for both parents and uses the average to determine the child's.

I'll be generous and say humans have a lifespan of about 100 years. Combining this with the 700 years of an elf, then dividing them by the average, we get 400 years. That's without the druid power extending it even further.

Though, like I said, I know we're not using that system. And the wrinkles on Jaheira's face show that she is certainly not in the prime of her youth like she was at the end of Bg2.

[Rain]

I think BG3 Jaheira is one of the best companions in the game. I absolutely adore her and I am glad they put her in.

Minsc...on the otherhand I cannot stand. I never have him in my party and I always did in BG2.