It doesnt feel very baldurs gate....!!?

[Fast]

I bought this on GOG as i had a discount code.

But i cant exactly say what it is but its not really baldurs gate at all.

It feels like it was inspired by baldurs gate to some degree but its not exactly in keeping with the previous design philosophies.

Also, the characters. No where near as strong as the line up in BG1/2 , actually even IWD1/2 (dlcs etc) general npc quality is better, Its by far the weakest line up, of very basic linear characters with a sort of surface level facade of depth. This was a big disappointment to me.

Beyond that are the games feeling. It feels like it is a caricature of what baldurs gate is. And although those exaggerated features can feel ok without too much critical thought and keeping your view surface level, the moment you take a moment to critically review what you are playing you realize it all falls away and doesnt really offer a baldurs gate experience but more...A Larian Games experience inspired by Baldurs Gate.

On the one hand, The game is somewhat fun and feels okay, I would say there are some things that feel tedious or a chore but overall it plays well, and is consistent and coherent in its ideas.
The problem is when you put Baldurs Gate as the title, you are somewhat obliged to stay in keeping with previous iterations regardless of your beliefs on what baldurs gate is to you.

There is a certain charm and quality to BG1/2 that this game absolutely does not capture and I would hope this being early access , Larian can please take a moment to think about the things and details that made Baldurs gate...Baldurs gate.

[kishkumen]

Originally posted by 8BallQue:

Nope instead what you do is try to take the old thing have zero respect for the lore and history created but use the same name for the fans that come with it but then try to half ass it as a 'new spin'. (We see you Matrix, Star Wars, etc. etc. etc.).

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This

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Panic Fire:

People telling you your criticisms are trash, is part of the process.

It's even worse when the criticisms contradict one another on a seemingly regular basis.

How are they meant to derive useful feedback from being told that it's not enough like the originals while also being told that they're just regurgitating old ideas?

After a point, it just turns into noise.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by kishkumen:

Originally posted by 8BallQue:

Nope instead what you do is try to take the old thing have zero respect for the lore and history created but use the same name for the fans that come with it but then try to half ass it as a 'new spin'. (We see you Matrix, Star Wars, etc. etc. etc.).

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This

So would you say, that you respect the lore of Baldurs Gate: Descent into Avernus or any of the Lore of D&D between 2nd Edition and the Events of Baldurs Gate 3?

[Berserk Belta]

Originally posted by SolidJake:

Seeing grognards constantly complain about how it doesn't feel the same as the other games is exhausting

Well, you can thank the people who decided to call the game Baldur's Gate 3 to get some extra money out of exactly those "grognards", knowing full well what they were doing.

It might be an idea not to shoulder an exhausting burden for someone else's consciously made business decision.

[dulany67]

Originally posted by 8BallQue:

It's almost as crazy as believing that in this day and age with new tech etc. that 1) you keep having to regurgitate old ideas and usually make them worse than the originals and 2) that you don't have the ability to even mimic the old world and just create a new story from it that ties in the established lore.

Nope instead what you do is try to take the old thing have zero respect for the lore and history created but use the same name for the fans that come with it but then try to half ass it as a 'new spin'. (We see you Matrix, Star Wars, etc. etc. etc.).

It's exhausting to have to tell people like yourself to just sit down and let the process of create, analyze, criticize, change, refine just occur naturally rather than having to listen to you complain about criticism.

BG3 is a good game in it's own right even if it feels like DOS in many ways. The real question is why does that bother you so much?

So, nostalgia

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNrYhyukt8k

[GrandMajora]

Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 were based on 2nd edition D&D, and are over 20 years old at this point.

Every other game in the franchise to date has been built on previous, outdated editions of the game. I purchased BG3 specifically because it was the first video game set in 5th edition, and I wanted to see what the current version of D&D plays like.

I'll admit, it has required an adjustment period to get used to all the changes, but I'm still glad to finally see a game that isn't mechanically stuck in the past. Those of us who can't play the table top version finally have a means of getting introduced to the current system.

[Dimebag]

Originally posted by dulany67:

Originally posted by 8BallQue:

It's almost as crazy as believing that in this day and age with new tech etc. that 1) you keep having to regurgitate old ideas and usually make them worse than the originals and 2) that you don't have the ability to even mimic the old world and just create a new story from it that ties in the established lore.

Nope instead what you do is try to take the old thing have zero respect for the lore and history created but use the same name for the fans that come with it but then try to half ass it as a 'new spin'. (We see you Matrix, Star Wars, etc. etc. etc.).

It's exhausting to have to tell people like yourself to just sit down and let the process of create, analyze, criticize, change, refine just occur naturally rather than having to listen to you complain about criticism.

BG3 is a good game in it's own right even if it feels like DOS in many ways. The real question is why does that bother you so much?

So, nostalgia

Not at all, you can still buy BG 1 & 2. That is not what nostalgia means.... a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period or irrecoverable condition.

It is not irrecoverable, its a PC game.

Like the person stated it's simply a badging excercise that has nothing to do with the original. If only there was a definition in that world they could use other than a highly established franchise. Maybe call it D&D anything else, because that what it is in essence.

[dulany67]

Originally posted by Dimebag:

Originally posted by dulany67:

So, nostalgia

Not at all, you can still buy BG 1 & 2. That is not what nostalgia means.... a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period or irrecoverable condition.

It is not irrecoverable, its a PC game.

Like the person stated it's simply a badging excercise that has nothing to do with the original. If only there was a definition in that world they could use other than a highly established franchise. Maybe call it D&D anything else, because that what it is in essence.

What you are asking for is Larian to imitate bioware of 20 years ago.

So yeah, it's about as irrecoverable as it can be. And TBH, not using BG3 would be unbelievably stupid. But also, not having BG in the name would probably have been a deal breaker for WotC.

Just stop wallowing in your feels. Larian, WotC and the great majority of the player base do not care.

[Fast]

Originally posted by dulany67:

Originally posted by Dimebag:

Not at all, you can still buy BG 1 & 2. That is not what nostalgia means.... a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period or irrecoverable condition.

It is not irrecoverable, its a PC game.

Like the person stated it's simply a badging excercise that has nothing to do with the original. If only there was a definition in that world they could use other than a highly established franchise. Maybe call it D&D anything else, because that what it is in essence.

What you are asking for is Larian to imitate bioware of 20 years ago.

So yeah, it's about as irrecoverable as it can be. And TBH, not using BG3 would be unbelievably stupid. But also, not having BG in the name would probably have been a deal breaker for WotC.

Just stop wallowing in your feels. Larian, WotC and the great majority of the player base do not care.

I feel like you do this on purpose. U spam nostalgia in every comment . But almost no one here has even eluded to nostalgia at all.

Most people have simply said, BG3 isnt really a BG game, its a generic RPG DOS BG inspired by knock off.

The entire premise of the game doesnt even take into account any of the formulas , principles or general premise of what made baldurs gate 1/2 so good.

They clearly didnt look at the source material, nor the fundamental underpinning design features and world building that made them so good.

It has nothing to do with nostalgia or wanting the same thing again. Its about understanding that BG3 is not only not a good BG game, its a mediocre RPG at best because Larian had no respect for the OG games.

Whilst people like you sit here applauding mediocre/low quality game design for what?

[Dragon Master]

Baldur's Gate 3 is a Baldur's Gate game.

[dulany67]

Originally posted by Fast:

The entire premise of the game doesnt even take into account any of the formulas , principles or general premise of what made baldurs gate 1/2 so good.

Describe those formulas, principles, and the general premise or GTFO.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by Fast:

Originally posted by dulany67:

What you are asking for is Larian to imitate bioware of 20 years ago.

So yeah, it's about as irrecoverable as it can be. And TBH, not using BG3 would be unbelievably stupid. But also, not having BG in the name would probably have been a deal breaker for WotC.

Just stop wallowing in your feels. Larian, WotC and the great majority of the player base do not care.

I feel like you do this on purpose. U spam nostalgia in every comment . But almost no one here has even eluded to nostalgia at all.

Most people have simply said, BG3 isnt really a BG game, its a generic RPG DOS BG inspired by knock off.

The entire premise of the game doesnt even take into account any of the formulas , principles or general premise of what made baldurs gate 1/2 so good.

They clearly didnt look at the source material, nor the fundamental underpinning design features and world building that made them so good.

It has nothing to do with nostalgia or wanting the same thing again. Its about understanding that BG3 is not only not a good BG game, its a mediocre RPG at best because Larian had no respect for the OG games.

Whilst people like you sit here applauding mediocre/low quality game design for what?

Yes they did an extensive look at the source Material:
Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition.
Baldirs Gate 1 and 2 aren't the Source Material. They are "just" 2 other games made on a much much earlier Edition of Dungeons & Dragons.
You are the one not having any clue about the source material

[Wraith]

Originally posted by Fast:

I feel like you do this on purpose. U spam nostalgia in every comment . But almost no one here has even eluded to nostalgia at all.

Most people have simply said, BG3 isnt really a BG game, its a generic RPG DOS BG inspired by knock off.

The entire premise of the game doesnt even take into account any of the formulas , principles or general premise of what made baldurs gate 1/2 so good.

They clearly didnt look at the source material, nor the fundamental underpinning design features and world building that made them so good.

It has nothing to do with nostalgia or wanting the same thing again. Its about understanding that BG3 is not only not a good BG game, its a mediocre RPG at best because Larian had no respect for the OG games.

Whilst people like you sit here applauding mediocre/low quality game design for what?

Or the setting that take place in is a long time after the first 2 games...
And they are using the world building that took place after it.

Did anyone think that BG 3 would take place during the Bhaalspawn saga are delusional when D&D descent into avernus happened...

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Boohoo, Star Wars Battlefront doesn't play anything Like Star Wars Knights of the old Republic...they have no respect for the source Material!