calm down with the elves.

[rad_knight]

i like this game and it's character creator, but chill with elves will you?
githyanki(not even gonna try to spell that right, i'm sorry), drow, elf, and half elf are all seperate races, and i'm not a lore expert but from just looking at them githyank and drow could've just been elf sub races.

[Hex]

Originally posted by ToveriJuri:

Originally posted by ToveriJuri:

Knife ears all look the same to me.

3 years later and Knife Ears still suck.

No u.

[WarBaby2]

Originally posted by Xi Jinpooh, Lord of Man-Jynuhs:

What about Wood Elves, Sea Elves, Shadar-kai and Eladrin??

...or WIld Elves, or Star Elves... ;)

...but yea, Gith are not elves and Drow are so fundamentally different from Tel'Quessir (general elves), that they are usually counted as a separate species.

[Peelsepuuppi]

Originally posted by Hex:

Originally posted by ToveriJuri:

3 years later and Knife Ears still suck.

No u.

Thus I am defeated by a lvl 10 spell.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Dkonen:

(elves in FR kind of don't die? They go to arvandor, often bodily-though how that works with violent deaths, IDK, it's never explained).

That was back in 1st and 2nd edition when elves had unending life spans.

This would eventually be changed, along with a bunch of other stuff to avoid copyrights with Tolkien's work.

Now, elves do have a finite life span, but they reincarnate after they die. During their Trance, they are supposed to experience memories of all the past lives they have lived. Which makes Ketheric's outrage over losing his daughter and his obsession with getting her back kind of foolish.

[Deathbypopup]

Originally posted by Koveras:

What about the "humans"? They're obviously just elves with flat ears.

Don't even get me started on the short stocky elves with beards and nubby ears, Can't believe they don't just call them elves instead of so called "Dwarves." Psssh i am onto you, They are just ground elves.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Don't forget the leShay.

[Dkonen]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Dkonen:

(elves in FR kind of don't die? They go to arvandor, often bodily-though how that works with violent deaths, IDK, it's never explained).

That was back in 1st and 2nd edition when elves had unending life spans.

This would eventually be changed, along with a bunch of other stuff to avoid copyrights with Tolkien's work.

Now, elves do have a finite life span, but they reincarnate after they die. During their Trance, they are supposed to experience memories of all the past lives they have lived. Which makes Ketheric's outrage over losing his daughter and his obsession with getting her back kind of foolish.

It was that way in 3rd edition too.

4th was borked when it came to elves, and the whole "finite lifespans but reincarnated" is kind of true the entire way?

FR lore gets pretty wonky and has a lot of contradictions (so many authours and so much material that it's bound to happen).

The elven lifespan can be up to 1000 but is usually only 500-with exceptions for drow and Rockseer (a very minor subrace from a published 2nd ed box adventure)-wheirin they ascend into arvendor in a fall of pretty sparks/sparkles.

This does and doesn't happen if they are killed by violence (they don't really go into it), but the entirety of faerun has the Well-which you pass through when you die and it washes away your memories (kind of? ) and then you wait for your god to gather you up and take you to their realm.

There you experience the afterlife you chose for....however long.... and then you go back through the well to be reborn. Basically, scrubbed clean for another go round.

I think the reference to the Well is only in a few places, but reincarnation isn't new to Faerun lore, and may even have been in from the start.

However, when you think about the implications and how this would affect the faiths and worshippers, it gets a bit weird (ex: why would gods allow this? Why not just sit on their pile o souls rather than risk them worshipping someone else in a new life? Do souls have a half life as per energy ? Do worshippers just get bored and wander away?)

Faerun has some pretty intricate lore, but if you get too much of it, it starts to look like a huge mess...which isn't necessarily unexpected, or even bad....just very very confusing after a while.

[Jimmy the Crow]

Originally posted by Dx2:

every elf is subrace, there is no one and true elf master race, all elf are humanoids

yes there is, High Elf dude. every other elf race is a sub race

[ULTRA]

Some people throughout the years pointed out that the Elder Scrolls orcs are orsimer i.e. they are also elves, but if D&D orcs in general are based on Tolkien orcs, the reality is that all orcs are actually elves anyway. For all I know tieflings are also elves. Everything is just elves.

[Hex]

Originally posted by ULTRA:

Some people throughout the years pointed out that the Elder Scrolls orcs are orsimer i.e. they are also elves, but if D&D orcs in general are based on Tolkien orcs, the reality is that all orcs are actually elves anyway. For all I know tieflings are also elves. Everything is just elves.

Complete nonsense, you know nothing about the lore. DnD Orcs are not Tolkien Orcs, they are their own race created by a god out of spite to ravage the lands. Tieflings are humans with Devil blood. Like Aasimar are humans with Angel blood.

[Hex]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥ Puncher:

Originally posted by Dx2:

every elf is subrace, there is no one and true elf master race, all elf are humanoids

yes there is, High Elf dude. every other elf race is a sub race

All Elves were once what we now call High Elves, so yes. Because Elves reincarnate the experiences of their life shape the new form to a degree, hence Wood Elves are more like other forest spirits because they spent several reincarnations in the wilds mostly. The original Elves that left the Elven cities were no different from High Elves. The Drow were cursed by Lolth, which is why Ellistraee Drow have lighter skin and non-red eyes as they are becoming more and more like their original form with each reincarnation.

[Hex]

Originally posted by Lae'zel:

"Tsk'va! The Githyanki an Elf sub-race? Your flesh should be stripped from your bones for even entertaining the thought."

They are tho, well, Elves with with Frog mixed it with some mad Illithid sorcery.