Unwinnable Fights [Act 3}

[PineapplesRGood]

I'm not confused, struggling, skill issued, or experiencing issues of any sort. I just want to know if there are any more unwinnable fights in the game.

I'll paint a picture, in the ceremonial hall with Gortash. In order to get the fight, you must choose violence and decide to kill Gortash before he is named Duke of Baldur's Gate. When the battle starts, you will be facing:
- 9 Steel Watchers,
- 7 Fists,
- Countless traps,
- and Lord Gortash.

The battle is designed to be completely unwinnable since not even Alert will land you at the start of the priority list, and you will face heavy damage by turn 1. I remember a similar situation in the Last Light Inn, but good AoE can win that.

[Viper]

No such thing. Only people who do not prepare.

[FenvalTTV]

Tough question.

Prepared, I believe any fight can be won. Unprepared, going straight in, I can think of a few ;

The outside of the goblin camp while low level. The giths near the pass while being level 1 or 2. Killing every single possible ally in Act 2 then turning good, so you face everyone on your own. Attacking randoms in the city of Act 3. Ethel in Act 3, but don't destroy the shrooms.

[devasolar]

The battle against Gortasch during his coronation cannot be won, as the "real" battle against him only takes place much later in his private chambers.

You can't kill him during his coronation - but you can kill everyone else. Here it's important to take out these wall installations, which will eventually explode, or drop these small orbs, which will then explode. You can pick up the balls and stop them from exploding. This starts as soon as you cross the drawbridge. You must first kill all the fists and all the servants AND disable the wall installations (alarms and booby traps), as these will alert the steel guards.

You must do the same in the Coronation Hall. The steel guards are often right next to you. It is also better to buy scrolls/arrows beforehand, which you can use to disable or weaken the Steel Guards. You can buy them from Karlach's friend in the Undercity ;-)

After that, the fortress is virtually empty (in terms of guards) and Gortasch is easy prey once you've gotten as far as him.

In the best case scenario, everyone will be dead except Gortasch - who you'll then have to talk to and the "final battle" against him will be a long way off. I also recommend that you kill Orin first. She is a much weaker opponent and you might get a level up or at least enough experience points and cool loot ;-).

And it might be advisable to complete the quests from Ethel (as mentioned above), the carrion mystic (who you can kill again and again if you don't accept the quest, so to speak), and the poltergeists in the house of the artist's fiancée beforehand - and maybe even Ansur, the dragon, who you reach in the cellar (prison) of the fortress before you even get to the top to meet the Flaming Fists or Gortash's servants. Gortasch is not an easy opponent.

[Viper]

The only unwinnable fights are story fights that your not supposed to win. For example cutscene and you immidiatelly die.

[devasolar]

The order may not matter, but I have had good experiences with it:
1. Ketheric Thorm
2. Sarevok
3. Orin
4. Raphael
5. Ansur
6. Gortash

[devasolar]

Originally posted by :

Solo Honour Mode Zalk and Cambions could be unwinnable. I've seen noone who claims to have won this fight.

Unfortunately, the level of difficulty was not specified. :-(

[InvisibleBison]

It's absolutely possible to kill Gortash at the coronation - I've done it. It's a really hard fight, though. The tactic I used to great success was to run outside of the hall and throw down a couple AoE damage spells blocking the route. This forces the enemies to come at you a few at a time instead of all at once, completely neutralizes the traps, and simultaneously neuters the ranged enemies while slapping all the enemies with some damage as they come to you.

[Harime Nui]

greater invisibility cheeses it

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by PineapplesRGood:

I'm not confused, struggling, skill issued, or experiencing issues of any sort. I just want to know if there are any more unwinnable fights in the game.

I'll paint a picture, in the ceremonial hall with Gortash. In order to get the fight, you must choose violence and decide to kill Gortash before he is named Duke of Baldur's Gate. When the battle starts, you will be facing:
- 9 Steel Watchers,
- 7 Fists,
- Countless traps,
- and Lord Gortash.

The battle is designed to be completely unwinnable since not even Alert will land you at the start of the priority list, and you will face heavy damage by turn 1. I remember a similar situation in the Last Light Inn, but good AoE can win that.

The fight isn't unwinnable, it's just extremely difficult. If you decide to immediately rush off and pick a fight with Gortash, you'll probably be under leveled too.

However, it is important to note that Steel Watchers will try to self destruct once their health gets low enough. You can also sneak around from the back of the hall and try to lure the steel watchers into a choke point by standing on the balcony in the backroom.

Additionally, you can pick up any grenades dispensed by the launchers and throw them at the enemies before they explode. Doing so makes the fight with Gortash rather comical because of how powerful these things are.

Finally, Gortash is also susceptible to Transmutation spells; most notably FLESH TO STONE. If you maintain concentration for all 3 rounds, he will be permanently petrified, which counts as having defeated him.

[zenebatos1]

There's like...30-40 hours of content you can do before engaging in a fight with him the 1st time you meet him...

[Renlish]

The game gives you the option to kill Gortash in the coronation hall straight away, but it's like your big brother standing back going, "Sure kiddo, you do your best, bud" while knowing you'll get your backside kicked into next Tuesday.

Most of the "unwinnable" fights are like that. Larian lets you try, but you need to be smart about it because you will be woefully unprepared for such an intense fight.

Me personally, I just like to rescue the duke and then destroy the steel watch foundry before attempting to kill Gortash or Orin.

[♂Warrior of Gachi♂]

That's the only fight that is maybe intended to be unwinnable. Can't think of anything else like that.

[kingonads]

Originally posted by PineapplesRGood:

I'm not confused, struggling, skill issued, or experiencing issues of any sort. I just want to know if there are any more unwinnable fights in the game.

I'll paint a picture, in the ceremonial hall with Gortash. In order to get the fight, you must choose violence and decide to kill Gortash before he is named Duke of Baldur's Gate. When the battle starts, you will be facing:
- 9 Steel Watchers,
- 7 Fists,
- Countless traps,
- and Lord Gortash.

The battle is designed to be completely unwinnable since not even Alert will land you at the start of the priority list, and you will face heavy damage by turn 1. I remember a similar situation in the Last Light Inn, but good AoE can win that.

I didnt bother to take out the Steel Watch Foundry my first play through and easily killed Gortash first time on Tactician. Also got the achievement for not setting off any traps, which was by accident.

[Gob]

Its my favourite fight of the game for the sheer challenge of it. There's several ways to tackle it.

One way is to clear the ground floor first so you have somewhere to retreat to. Enter the upper chamber via the main entrance long enough to aggro someone there, then lure attackers down a few at a time. Retreating onto the drawbridge and back to camp to recover as needed.

Another fun way to kill just Gortash requires you to take the higher level illithid powers so all your party has Fly. Then fly around the left side of Wyrm's Rock and sneak in the back of the throne room. You can get to within a short distance of Gortash without aggro. Kill him and fly out your party in one or two rounds. You will likely need a well-designed team for this, such as two paladins and two sorcerers, with everyone Hastened. You obviously only really need to get one of your party out alive.

There are several possible variations on these as there are five ways into the upper chamber, each of which can be made choke/retreat points.

[Moddingspree]

Destroy the steel fundry first, that will disable all the steel watchers. This alone makes the fight way easier.