Last patch - still no Paladin rework?!

[woops]

Paladin classes are arguably unplayable because it is guaranteed that you will break your oath which breaks any immersion I had left. Why is it guaranteed? You can't kill or attack anyone that hasn't attacked first. You can't even punish a tiefling child for theft. Theft is illegal and immoral, in case you didn't know.
I've google searched more oathbreak scenarios and apparently even attacking the goblin war camp (!!!) "unprovoked" is going to trigger an oathbreak. These goblins are literally in a murder spree across the countryside for their evil god. It should be lawfully good to execute every single last goblin that you can find. Even killing some of the "neutral" baahlists in the bhaal temple will apparently break your oath. Murder is not lawfully good, okay? I get it, you didn't see them commit a crime but this is the BG3 fantasy universe, not real life. They are standing around in an underground temple where they are doing evil sacrifices. Does Larian seriously think that I should call the police and let them have their day in court?

Here is the bottom line: We need a complete redo of all dialogues to allow a genuine evil smashing paladin that kills any and all evil on sight. It should break my oath to know that the goblins massacred the village and not to stop them before moving to the next act.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Originally posted by Woke Buster:

They spent too much resources on bear sex, forced gay romances, penis jiggle physics, kiss animations, and other nonsensical garbage. So I'm sorry, but no proper paladin roleplay in Baldur's Gayte 3. After all, it's not an RPG, it's a dating sim!

Hundreds of hours of gameplay that have nothing to do with sex, all sexuality, including homosexuality, completely optional but all you paid attention to was the gay sex. Mate, I think you might be repressing some stuff...

[alanc9]

Originally posted by ♂GACHIGUS♂:

Originally posted by ftw01:

I was oath of vengeance when it broke because I helped Kagha which made no sense

Oath of Vengeance has clauses about protecting\avenging the innocents and all that. What doesn't make sense is how Minthy is keeping her oath.

I'm guessing drow have a very strange definition of "innocents."

[alanc9]

Originally posted by Pönnukaka:

I think it is little unfinished. You're supposed to get 'Black Guard', aka THE Oathbreaker in BG3. Which is super cool, especially if you pick Dark Urge. Black Guard of Evil God is super in theme. But it's not there. You can't be Black Guard of Myrkul or Bane or Tiamat or Cyric or Asmodeus or Shar.

You should be able to pick your main God being good/evil and they should be giving you specific choices

according to their own morality code. Which vary a lot even being on 'good' or 'evil side. Now that would be cool. Unlike the troll post that OP made.

Paladin as a class is quite finished in my book. It just needs a little more flavour. But I guess they never went with it since they didn't want to explore this with Clerics as well beyond just domains..too much work. :winter2019sadyul:

Pretty much every CRPG has settled for "adequate" in this area, yeah. Doing it right would be a huge resource sink.

[Tresh]

Originally posted by alanc9:

Originally posted by ♂GACHIGUS♂:

Oath of Vengeance has clauses about protecting\avenging the innocents and all that. What doesn't make sense is how Minthy is keeping her oath.

I'm guessing drow have a very strange definition of "innocents."

They most certainly do, but also, any other drow Paladin of Vengeance loses their oath when failing to go by the game's rules. Minthara is just special, ig

[sir squirrel]

Originally posted by alanc9:

Originally posted by ♂GACHIGUS♂:

Oath of Vengeance has clauses about protecting\avenging the innocents and all that. What doesn't make sense is how Minthy is keeping her oath.

I'm guessing drow have a very strange definition of "innocents."

unlike us minthara got to pick the specifics of her oath her oath of vengence was first to get bloody vengance on all who defied loth to getting revenge on the absolutes cult

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by ftw01:

You can't kill or attack anyone that hasn't attacked first.

You're playing a knight, not a samurai.

Originally posted by ftw01:

Does Larian seriously think that I should call the police and let them have their day in court?

YES, the judicial system exists for a reason. You do not have the right or the authority to dispense vigilante justice upon any wrongdoers you come across. And denying somebody a fair trial just because of their race (such as Goblins and Orcs) is a form of prejudice, which could be considered in violation of your sacred oaths.

None of this would be a problem if we were playing it by table top, where you could give the enemy a chance to surrender and take them into custody. But as this is a video game, your only option is to play the 'Lawful Stupid' Paladin.

[anachoret]

Oh great another willfully-misunderstanding-Paladin-Oaths-in-a-petulant-manner thread

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Tresh:

What annoys me personally more is that there is no option to be an evil Paladin with an evil oath. The only option for that is oathbreaker and I wish that wasn't the case.

Yeah, I wish the Oath of Conquest had been implemented. Part of the oath involves having "Douse the flames of hope" seared into your arm.

Taking up the Oath of Conquest means vowing to be a tyrannical warlord, and you would 'break' your oath by choosing not to become a slave owner.

[sevensided]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Taking up the Oath of Conquest means vowing to be a tyrannical warlord, and you would 'break' your oath by choosing not to become a slave owner.

Can I just have unpaid interns instead?

[alanc9]

That would suit Minthara perfectly. And it has an obvious application in Act 3.

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by Peppe Mea:

This game is BS. But, Hey! Lot of sex scenes so must be a well done rpg...

There are sex scenes in this game?

Also what does BS stand for? Best-Selling?

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Lord Adorable:

Originally posted by Peppe Mea:

This game is BS. But, Hey! Lot of sex scenes so must be a well done rpg...

There are sex scenes in this game?

Also what does BS stand for? Best-Selling?

Honestly, the sex scenes only happen ONCE with each companion, and then every other time after that just either cuts to black, or has the camera pan away.

It implies that you had sex, but doesn't actually go into detail with it.

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Lord Adorable:

There are sex scenes in this game?

Also what does BS stand for? Best-Selling?

Honestly, the sex scenes only happen ONCE with each companion, and then every other time after that just either cuts to black, or has the camera pan away.

It implies that you had sex, but doesn't actually go into detail with it.

Well that's a semi-shame. Go big or go home I say.

[Punished Jeremy]

I'll never understand why people get so ass hurt by things like this. This might be bait but I know some people who unironically talk like this

This is a narrative driven game with specific archetypes that are meant to be adhered to. If you want to deviate from that narrative you are going to have a problem. If you cant handle that then wait for mods. Theres already like 20 homebrew oaths on nexus right now

[woops]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by ftw01:

Does Larian seriously think that I should call the police and let them have their day in court?

YES, the judicial system exists for a reason. You do not have the right or the authority to dispense vigilante justice upon any wrongdoers you come across. And denying somebody a fair trial just because of their race (such as Goblins and Orcs) is a form of prejudice, which could be considered in violation of your sacred oaths.

None of this would be a problem if we were playing it by table top, where you could give the enemy a chance to surrender and take them into custody. But as this is a video game, your only option is to play the 'Lawful Stupid' Paladin.

so in other words you agree with me that Paladins need a serious rework to be playable properly