New Kethric Thorm, fight !! help

[RollerPig]

anyone have any ideas>? tacticion mode. This fight is now on par with the Raphael fight except no access to globe of invulnerability. Necreomites average 10 dmg per turn and Kethric uses command attack. theres 10 of them so at level 8 its a 1 shot each round. I also did not kill Karnis so hes in the fight to often sanctuaried and has an insane aura lower all ability checks by 5 . All Necromites have armor of agathas reflecting back 10 dmg per hit...wtf is this fight!?!?!? do i have to restart this entire act 2 just to kill karniss or have to result in cheesing fight using bugs and exploits?

[Tax evasion]

Wait, what do you mean "All necromites have armor of agathys" ? Can you link a screenshot ?
Ketheric is relatively the least of your worries, especially if you have Aylin to soak up hits.

You gotta kill the necromancer first (the woman in the middle of the arena), then Karniss when he decides to get off his Sanctuary.

What builds are you running ? What level are you ?

[Steffan]

In Honor he is slightly worse.

But no, you are not screwed. No need to kill Kar'niss immediately. His will save is not great. An elixir of battemage power and a debilitating spell or two once out of sanctuary should neutralize him until you deal with Ketheric.

Taking out Ketheric asap is the right choice. It takes him a turn to get to you. If you have Minthara, as a prebuff cast shield of faith as a concentration (she has wonderful boots that will make her immune to shield bash), vow of enmity on Ketheric and unleash once Ketheric is close enough (wait for him to approach). The executioner ring on her and maybe a tadpole power that gives her an auto- crit should take care of most of his health. And yes, you can aim some AoE spells at Ketheric

You can also use an elixir of vigillance before battle to advance characters in the initiative order

The necromantic woman is not a big deal if you have sb with a counterspell vs her fireballs for a turn or two

Armor of Agathys works only in melee not AoE or ranged damage.

[RollerPig]

Originally posted by Tax evasion:

Wait, what do you mean "All necromites have armor of agathys" ? Can you link a screenshot ?
Ketheric is relatively the least of your worries, especially if you have Aylin to soak up hits.

You gotta kill the necromancer first (the woman in the middle of the arena), then Karniss when he decides to get off his Sanctuary.

What builds are you running ? What level are you ?

Level 8 Tav oath breaker bardadin (not a fan, so far it sucks), lockadin (Minth), Tempest cleric +1 wizard and some weird tavern brawler build im trying, barb,battle master which is kind of overkill. I think straight tavern brawler barb or open hand monk would do better> just trying something new
I got past it. 3 tries. I forget about things like "freedom of movement" spells and the like. Kethric uses oath breaker Pally abilities (AoE fear) and his main hand attack averages 30+ 10 radiant plus some other modifier with extra attack....so basically about 85 dmg per turn....Though fight .
But to answer your question. Yes. They have armor of Agythy's and when you pop there 5 extra hp it blasts you with an additional 10 cold dmg, so basically 15 damage returned on first hit (mellee). I'd have to reload to get a screen shot

[RollerPig]

Originally posted by steffan8:

In Honor he is slightly worse.

But no, you are not screwed. No need to kill Kar'niss immediately. His will save is not great. An elixir of battemage power and a debilitating spell or two once out of sanctuary should neutralize him until you deal with Ketheric.

Taking out Ketheric asap is the right choice. It takes him a turn to get to you. If you have Minthara, as a prebuff cast shield of faith as a concentration (she has wonderful boots that will make her immune to shield bash), vow of enmity on Ketheric and unleash once Ketheric is close enough (wait for him to approach). The executioner ring on her and maybe a tadpole power that gives her an auto- crit should take care of most of his health. And yes, you can aim some AoE spells at Ketheric

You can also use an elixir of vigillance before battle to advance characters in the initiative order

The necromantic woman is not a big deal if you have sb with a counterspell vs her fireballs for a turn or two

Armor of Agathys works only in melee not AoE or ranged damage.

Thank you. I just had to stop and think. Fight used to be a cakewalk. so many things i forget to use... first turn dropped sleet storm,popped the necro chick with ranged tavern brawler.. i kited backwards this gave me 1 turn to just deal with Karniss. That left Aylin to tank the rest.She actually did ok. She has radiant Aoe and smashed 2 necromites per turn...After that it was haste pots, burn down karniss and kite behind wall. My Tav died to Kethrics 90 dmg attack but the rest of my crew got him low enough and mopped up... "freedom of movement"spell was huge+haste+darkness for ranged attacks. He hits like a truck now and you can't mellee the necromites..

[Steffan]

Originally posted by RollerPig:

Originally posted by steffan8:

In Honor he is slightly worse.

But no, you are not screwed. No need to kill Kar'niss immediately. His will save is not great. An elixir of battemage power and a debilitating spell or two once out of sanctuary should neutralize him until you deal with Ketheric.

Taking out Ketheric asap is the right choice. It takes him a turn to get to you. If you have Minthara, as a prebuff cast shield of faith as a concentration (she has wonderful boots that will make her immune to shield bash), vow of enmity on Ketheric and unleash once Ketheric is close enough (wait for him to approach). The executioner ring on her and maybe a tadpole power that gives her an auto- crit should take care of most of his health. And yes, you can aim some AoE spells at Ketheric

You can also use an elixir of vigillance before battle to advance characters in the initiative order

The necromantic woman is not a big deal if you have sb with a counterspell vs her fireballs for a turn or two

Armor of Agathys works only in melee not AoE or ranged damage.

Thank you. I just had to stop and think. Fight used to be a cakewalk. so many things i forget to use... first turn dropped sleet storm,popped the necro chick with ranged tavern brawler.. i kited backwards this gave me 1 turn to just deal with Karniss. That left Aylin to tank the rest.She actually did ok. She has radiant Aoe and smashed 2 necromites per turn...After that it was haste pots, burn down karniss and kite behind wall. My Tav died to Kethrics 90 dmg attack but the rest of my crew got him low enough and mopped up... "freedom of movement"spell was huge+haste+darkness for ranged attacks. He hits like a truck now and you can't mellee the necromites..

I did forget Minthara had the gloves giving her heroism when using her oath that makes her immune to fear. I am overall quite paranoid so I do prioritise defense from debilitating conditions, to the best of my abilities.

Did you have Jaheira in the fight, btw? She did not do much in mine but she could take necromite or two.

What build is your bardadin? Curious.

For that fight in the honour run I had sorcerer bard (5 lvl sorcerer and 4 lvl valour bard), Minthara, Shadowheart, Astarion (default classes) and Jaheira as a minion. I opened with a hideous laughter on Kar'niss and quickened fireball on Ketheric, the latter two: Ice storm from Jaheira, glyph of warding on Ketheric. Astarion attacked the wizard. The next round was full attack from Minthara, Astarion and
activating the phalar aluve and quickened dissonant whispers on Ketheric. I brought Ketheric to 44 hp and the cutscene triggered. Neither Ketheric nor Kar'niss got a proper attack (Ketheric got his legendary action on SH). In all honesty, I was a bit lucky my main beat Kar'niss in the initiative and him failing the save (though chances were in my favour)

[CrackeR]

Get to Aylin ASAP and use "help" on her , the fight is relatively mundane after that

[Steffan]

Originally posted by CrackeR:

Get to Aylin ASAP and use "help" on her , the fight is relatively mundane after that

It makes the fight a bit easier. But it is no unknown she gots downed very quickly in that second fight.

We are talking about the first fight, though.

[Ceredh]

Not necessarily. I had big problems to keep Aylin alive in my Honour mode playthrough fight. And what annoyed me the most was that you have to do the hive and cannot rest before Ketheric.

Interesting that the tower fight now is more difficult. I started a Custom mode run with Honour mode stuff enabled by a mod and Combat Extender, I'm curious for the fight. And I fear for Jaheira, I think I don't take her with me. Already Wyll died before I could recruit him.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Ceredh:

Not necessarily. I had big problems to keep Aylin alive in my Honour mode playthrough fight. And what annoyed me the most was that you have to do the hive and cannot rest before Ketheric.

Interesting that the tower fight now is more difficult. I started a Custom mode run with Honour mode stuff enabled by a mod and Combat Extender, I'm curious for the fight. And I fear for Jaheira, I think I don't take her with me. Already Wyll died before I could recruit him.

Hm? Did you not use the regen machine?

[Steffan]

I think Aylin continues with the health she has in the fight with Ketheric. And yes, there is a regeneration machine right before the elevator.

Actually, for rp reasons I pushed my character on without a rest. I used some minor potions of angelic aspects and swapped SH for Jaheira after the first Ketheric fight. I even made some screenshots of my character. He was miserable, lol. Having to do 5 fights (two of the fights in Moonrise; the Ketheric first fight and another one in the final area + Ketheric second encounter) without a rest.

That being said, I do advise a rest after the first fight with Ketheric. There are no negative consequences, to my knowledge.

[OnlyOffensive]

necromites die in like one fireball, no? Even if you dont have wizard for a fight, you can use scrolls

[RollerPig]

Originally posted by steffan8:

Originally posted by RollerPig:

Thank you. I just had to stop and think. Fight used to be a cakewalk. so many things i forget to use... first turn dropped sleet storm,popped the necro chick with ranged tavern brawler.. i kited backwards this gave me 1 turn to just deal with Karniss. That left Aylin to tank the rest.She actually did ok. She has radiant Aoe and smashed 2 necromites per turn...After that it was haste pots, burn down karniss and kite behind wall. My Tav died to Kethrics 90 dmg attack but the rest of my crew got him low enough and mopped up... "freedom of movement"spell was huge+haste+darkness for ranged attacks. He hits like a truck now and you can't mellee the necromites..

I did forget Minthara had the gloves giving her heroism when using her oath that makes her immune to fear. I am overall quite paranoid so I do prioritise defense from debilitating conditions, to the best of my abilities.

Did you have Jaheira in the fight, btw? She did not do much in mine but she could take necromite or two.

What build is your bardadin? Curious.

For that fight in the honour run I had sorcerer bard (5 lvl sorcerer and 4 lvl valour bard), Minthara, Shadowheart, Astarion (default classes) and Jaheira as a minion. I opened with a hideous laughter on Kar'niss and quickened fireball on Ketheric, the latter two: Ice storm from Jaheira, glyph of warding on Ketheric. Astarion attacked the wizard. The next round was full attack from Minthara, Astarion and
activating the phalar aluve and quickened dissonant whispers on Ketheric. I brought Ketheric to 44 hp and the cutscene triggered. Neither Ketheric nor Kar'niss got a proper attack (Ketheric got his legendary action on SH). In all honesty, I was a bit lucky my main beat Kar'niss in the initiative and him failing the save (though chances were in my favour)

I lost initiative to Karniss. Its brutal. He is sanctuaried and his aura gives a -5 to saving throws so....

my Tav bardadin is oathbreaker level 6 and 3 college of swords. I bee lined to extra attack+ feat(pally)..My guess is badadin starts to really take off around level 10+. After that fight i got level 9 for the concentration aura so i can probably run bless/bane on my tav freeing up Shart for spirit gaurdians/ arms of harder or water/call lighting. It was a build i was just winging in my durge play through. I dont like it because you cant really respec. My next run will be an honor run and not being able to respecc is 100% no go

Jaheira always dies.. shes horrible as are all harpers. I only had 1 of the play throughs where she lived and it was only becuase she got blocked on the stairs which gave me 3 rounds to kill the high value targets. I had to switch to Wyll after rooftop fight to get reward from Mizora..sick for a tanky lockadin build though i might switch him to coffee lock. I don't like casters in this game. there single target dps is just too low and i can get control spells and counter spells multi classing. I only bring 1 hybrid caster in any group. cant spam long rest in the higher difficulties

[RollerPig]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

necromites die in like one fireball, no? Even if you dont have wizard for a fight, you can use scrolls

trying to remember. about 24 health + 5 from armor of Agythys..I guess if you roll high you can one shot them but theres 5 on each side. Quicken spell + fireball certainly possible to nuke 4..i blew 2 off the roof with gust of wind but then shart got 1 shot by kethreics legendary power