Baldur's Gate 3
Major Spoilers in my post, question about act 3. Do not click if you don't want spoilers.
That warning title aside, sorry I just didn't want to upset anyone about what I am going to ask. I finally got to act 3 in a playthrough, the furthest I'd ever got was to act 2 previously. I've been thinking over endgame for my Tav and I'm conflicted about Orpheus and the Emperor.

I want to help both, but I know if I side with one, I betray the other. The only way to appease both seems to be if my Tav or Karlach become a mindflayer. Is this the only solution to keep all parties happy? I have a romance going on with Shadowheart.

I'm not sure if there is something I missed or could have done better, but in a way I'm not sure I want to betray either, and I know Lae'zel wants to help her people. I'm just really conflicted at this point.

Any pointers or advice would help greatly. Thanks.
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You cannot keep both parties happy and as you get to know more about the emperor, chances are you won't want to keep him happy.
Sorry, you have to choose one, you can't help both. If Lae'zel is in in your party, she will want to help Orpheus and can potentially side against you if you choose the Emperor.
ah well...thanks for the advice. I know I'm probably just over thinking all this too much :P
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ah well...thanks for the advice. I know I'm probably just over thinking all this too much :P
It's okay, the game presents a lot of options. It's only natural to think there's a third path here.
go with Orpheous. he is a FAR stronger mind flayer (if you turn him). The emporer pales in comparison in combat prowess. He's a selfish punk anyways
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That warning title aside, sorry I just didn't want to upset anyone about what I am going to ask. I finally got to act 3 in a playthrough, the furthest I'd ever got was to act 2 previously. I've been thinking over endgame for my Tav and I'm conflicted about Orpheus and the Emperor.

I want to help both, but I know if I side with one, I betray the other. The only way to appease both seems to be if my Tav or Karlach become a mindflayer. Is this the only solution to keep all parties happy? I have a romance going on with Shadowheart.

I'm not sure if there is something I missed or could have done better, but in a way I'm not sure I want to betray either, and I know Lae'zel wants to help her people. I'm just really conflicted at this point.

Any pointers or advice would help greatly. Thanks.

It is impossible to appease both parties. Githyanki DESPISE Mind Flayers with the fury of a billion suns. The only reason why Orpheus is agreeing to work with you after you become one, is due to the extreme circumstances which leaves him with no other options. You need a Mind Flayer to seize control of the Netherbrain, so for now, he's forced to grit his teeth and bare it.

But he would never work with the Emperor. The mind flayer who slaughtered his honor guard, siphoned his power for his own machinations, and was perfectly content to leave him imprisoned for eternity.

The Emperor knew that the second Orpheus was free, he was going to lash out in vengeance. So he decides to dip out before he has the chance to do so.
Without spoilers, don't feel bad about "betraying" the Emperor. He is a terrible person and an unreasonable idiot. Your choice at the end isn't actually even betrayal, you just offer an alternative solution, but Larian decided to make emps stupid, so he won't accept it no matter how much charisma and persuasion your character has or how much emps trusts you.

Also, none of your prior choices matter. None at all.
Отредактировано ♂Warrior of Gachi♂; 6 июн. 2024 г. в 2:23
Автор сообщения: Rainy Kitten
That warning title aside, sorry I just didn't want to upset anyone about what I am going to ask. I finally got to act 3 in a playthrough, the furthest I'd ever got was to act 2 previously. I've been thinking over endgame for my Tav and I'm conflicted about Orpheus and the Emperor.

I want to help both, but I know if I side with one, I betray the other. The only way to appease both seems to be if my Tav or Karlach become a mindflayer. Is this the only solution to keep all parties happy? I have a romance going on with Shadowheart.

I'm not sure if there is something I missed or could have done better, but in a way I'm not sure I want to betray either, and I know Lae'zel wants to help her people. I'm just really conflicted at this point.

Any pointers or advice would help greatly. Thanks.

This is one of the big decisions in the game and one that makes sure there are no happy endings... Each one must find their own moral choices, mine was:

Orpheus was imprisoned for ages, it is not right to awake someone who's been used for centuries just to tell him he's going to be fodder for illithids... Also, he's the best shot the Githianky have at dethroning that wretched lich usurper-queen of theirs...

The Emperor does helps you a lot throughout the game, but, one might argue, it does so in his own self interest so, how to untie this? The "Emperor" is none other than Balduran. Balduran got into this "shape" mostly due to his ravaging ambition, always in search for more adventure, more gold... Until he finally met his match, the illithid colony beneath Moonrise Towers. Changed into illithid he should've accepted his fate and let his friend kill him in honour, in the past (Ansur, the Dragon) but no, he killed Ansur because his illithid mind overcame and he craved for selfish preservation and power instead of selfless sacrifice. Also... Balduran should've died a centuries ago, in the Werewolves island (BG2), it is time that he Requiescat in Pace, and regains his lost Honour.

So I always kill the Emperor in the end and side with Orpheus...

Which leaves me but THREE alternatives... Let Karlach become illithid, let Gale sacrifice himself or let me become illithid.

I once thought Gale sacrifice as his reunion with his former lover, Mystra, but that's not exactly what is implied at the end game party if he sacrifices, instead there is a sad story about his mother, his flying cat (a Tressym) asking for petting and an heart-breaking farewell hug so, Gale's sacrifice is off the menu... Karlach... Would you sacrifice her after all she's been through? Yes, she has to return to Avernus, but there is also a cut-scene at the party where it is mentioned that we'll go to Avernus to free her so, there is hope...

What remains? WE!

We, the Tav's, must sacrifice and become illithid in order for all to have an happy ending (but us), we must forsake hapinness and life to save our comrades in arms. Like a proper leader we give our life for our team, it is our job to do so.

So I always end up illithid... As Orpheus points, it is the honourable path, the one that will immortalize our memory as heroes... I'm only sorry that I don't have a chance to kill myself after that so that I destroy my abomination and die in honour. Instead we, as illithids, also go to the end party and everything seems normal even our lover, (which is ridiculous).
Отредактировано Jaeleth; 6 июн. 2024 г. в 4:50
The Emperor eats Orpheus' brain, killing him. But Orphy is innocent. That alone is enough of a reason to not side with Empy.
I was curious if Patch 7 would enable a "third path" option, maybe with a difficulty check. So somebody could mod the game to provide an additional possible ending.

It looks like no. I hate the Emperor so I don't mind killing him, but I was just curious if it would be possible. Looks like the tools won't enable such things. A shame.

Heck, if I could do it, I would create an ending where you kill the Emperor on the spot, free Orpheus, and NOBODY becomes a mindflayer because you bring Omeluum with you and HE uses the Netherstones.
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The Emperor eats Orpheus' brain, killing him. But Orphy is innocent. That alone is enough of a reason to not side with Empy.

He's a Githyanki, the furthest thing away from innocent.

Githyanki are the faction of Gith who decided the appropriate response to casting off eons of slavery was to inflict their misery upon the rest of the multiverse as revenge. They are fanatically xenophobic space pirates, who raid, slaughter and enslave damn near everything they come across.

Just a reminder that the only reason Lae'zel agreed to accompany us, is because she had no other options. We were her one and only hope for survival. But before she realized that, she is constantly making threats towards us, and even tries to immediately kill us during our first encounter.
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Автор сообщения: JP
The Emperor eats Orpheus' brain, killing him. But Orphy is innocent. That alone is enough of a reason to not side with Empy.

He's a Githyanki, the furthest thing away from innocent.

Githyanki are the faction of Gith who decided the appropriate response to casting off eons of slavery was to inflict their misery upon the rest of the multiverse as revenge. They are fanatically xenophobic space pirates, who raid, slaughter and enslave damn near everything they come across.

Just a reminder that the only reason Lae'zel agreed to accompany us, is because she had no other options. We were her one and only hope for survival. But before she realized that, she is constantly making threats towards us, and even tries to immediately kill us during our first encounter.
I was under the impression, as Gith's son, he's just gith, prior to the githzerai/githyanki schism. So maybe even more akin to what the githzerai would become.
Отредактировано Oozy Monster; 6 июн. 2024 г. в 12:02
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I was under the impression, as Gith's son, he's just gith, prior to the githzerai/githyanki schism. So maybe even more akin to what the githzerai would become.

Gith herself favored the Githyanki response to the situation. It was the founder of the Githzerai (forgot his name) who spoke out against her behavior and splintered off to form his own society in Limbo.

You think the Githyanki would revere Gith and her child so highly, if they denounced war and favored pacifism?
So no one is innocent and kill everyone. lol

Honestly I'll probably side with the Gith on this just to keep Lae'zel happy, and it seems the greater good option though my guy is an elven thief. I had thought originally about betraying the others and becoming absolute but my best friend mentioned strangling me if I did so...the greater good route it is. lol
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So no one is innocent and kill everyone. lol

Honestly I'll probably side with the Gith on this just to keep Lae'zel happy, and it seems the greater good option though my guy is an elven thief. I had thought originally about betraying the others and becoming absolute but my best friend mentioned strangling me if I did so...the greater good route it is. lol

Githyanki may be xenophobic space pirates, but at least they still have souls and the capacity to choose a different way of life.

Mind Flayers do not have souls, meaning that the way in which they perceive and interact with the world is inherently sociopathic. They have no emotions and they have no empathy.
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