Shadowheart stats

[craig234]

I'm considering stat boost at level 8. She's at STR 13 DEC 13 CON 14 WIS 17.

I could put 2 points in WIS if there's a 1 WIS boost coming to 20, or 1 WIS 1 DEX

She has war caster.

There don't seem other feats that jump out... alert is ok...

[tridae]

prob 1 WIS and 1 DEX. afaik there's nothing besides certain feats that buffs an attribute by 1, so ending on an odd number has no advantage.

[Augusto]

I always respec shadowheart to fix her main stats.

Feats for her are ASI to max Wisdom, war caster, you could also go Resilient (CON) for even better concentration saves. Clerics are not very hungry for feats tbh, at least not those in the game. Their kit is already powerful enough.

[Pat Fenis]

You should do a respec to better distribute her stats. Odd numbers are a waste, unless you plan to even them out with the hag hair or resilient trait. About war caster, it's generally better to take resilient:con trait instead. I would take probably 15 con on her and bump to 16 with resilient, which will help concentration roll (+6 now, +7 @ lvl 9) more than war caster at 14 (+2 w advantage). You can additionally get advantage from several pieces of medium armor, or the peerless focus elixir.

[ahsanford]

I think there's an overwhelming case to re-spec Shad. She doesn't melee well, she doesn't ranged well, she doesn't hold her concentration well and she's a poor substitute for a proper lockpicker / trap person.

Her starting stats and odd trickery setup just kind of water down her potential. I'm no min-maxer, and even I re-spec her as soon as I get Withers.

1A) If staying as a cleric, get her out of Trickery and into something punchy the others can't do, hopefully with Heavy Armor -- Life, Tempest, etc.

1B) Think about re-spec-ing her into a completely new line of work if she overlaps with your main character. I have an healbot/talker/buffer/lockpicker guy, so I never need her for classic cleric support roles.

2) Assuming you are at L8 and the re-spec stays with Cleric and it's a more casting / less melee subclass, you'll want something like:

DEX: 10 (you could dump to 8 even) -- surely you have AC17+ heavy armor by now
CON: 16
WIS: 16

3) Your (starting from zero) feats at L8 are some combo of 2 ASIs to WIS or 1 ASI to WIS and either War Caster or Resilient.

And THEN Shad will be hard to hit, solid at casting and difficult to break her concentration. You won't melee and your sneaking around days are gone, but you will be a lot more effective in combat.

But you do you. That's just a suggestion above.

- A

[DontMisunderstand]

This is one of the more annoying parts of BG3, there aren't really any feats that are good for casters. A huge chunk of the leveling system only really doing things for half the classes feels bad.

[ahsanford]

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

This is one of the more annoying parts of BG3, there aren't really any feats that are good for casters. A huge chunk of the leveling system only really doing things for half the classes feels bad.

I hear you (an in fairness I just ASI Gale to 20 ASAP), but there are a couple good ones out there:

The one that lets storm sorcerers bypass resistance is kind of a big deal. If you are tilted towards one specific elemental damage, it kind of needs to land.

War Caster or Resilient is super useful for Bards and Clerics. My main has one of Bless or Hypnotic Pattern or Spirit Guardians up just about every turn.

- A

[craig234]

One thought is to get 18 wis/15 con, and to get res:con at level 12 to get to 16 (or 18 if I move 2 points from STR), but level 12 is late to get her set up.

[Pat Fenis]

I would forget about strength and melee attacks with her. 10 str so you don't have penalty to checks and jump. An example of a good cleric stat spread without hag hair and using resilient con:

10 str
14 dex
15 con (14 +1)
10 int
16 wis (14 +2)
10 cha

You could even go 17 con but this would leave you with a couple 8's.

Feats would be ASI +2 wis, resilient con, another +2 wis or alert.

[craig234]

Is there any way to change her stats with withers without having to redo all her items?

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by ahsanford:

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

This is one of the more annoying parts of BG3, there aren't really any feats that are good for casters. A huge chunk of the leveling system only really doing things for half the classes feels bad.

I hear you (an in fairness I just ASI Gale to 20 ASAP), but there are a couple good ones out there:

The one that lets storm sorcerers bypass resistance is kind of a big deal. If you are tilted towards one specific elemental damage, it kind of needs to land.

War Caster or Resilient is super useful for Bards and Clerics. My main has one of Bless or Hypnotic Pattern or Spirit Guardians up just about every turn.

- A

I tried out War Caster on Gale and it really felt like the main benefit was allowing him to have meaningful opportunity attacks instead of bonk with stick for 0 damage. Though that might just be because Wizards usually have a better option than to cast a concentration spell, or are too far from the danger to get hit in the first place. It's really weird. Haste feels like the only actual good concentration spell that lasts long enough to have an attempt at a concentration check, and it weirdly is only actually useful in situations where the Wizard is going to die before their next turn anyway, so all Haste actually does most of the time is skip the target's next turn.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by craig234:

Shadowheart stats
I'm considering stat boost at level 8. She's at STR 13 DEC 13 CON 14 WIS 17.

I could put 2 points in WIS if there's a 1 WIS boost coming to 20, or 1 WIS 1 DEX

She has war caster.

There don't seem other feats that jump out... alert is ok...

Depends on her overall built. I would just scrap her stats altogether and respec her so that you get all modifier boni one way or another.

[OnlyOffensive]

honestly i have half a mind to respec her this time into tempest cleric + druid, because i probably cant force myself to play with halsin in party.

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14 dex (+2 armor in Medium gear)
8 str (she is a cleric running around casting spells and healing, you never use her for melee attacks)
17 wisdom to +20 with feats.
15 con for more HP and more consentration save chances

the rest is your choice, you can add some charisma or some int, doesnt really matter.

[OnlyOffensive]

if you go shar route shes actually pretty decent in melee

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by KroniusBlack:

14 dex (+2 armor in Medium gear)
8 str (she is a cleric running around casting spells and healing, you never use her for melee attacks)
17 wisdom to +20 with feats.
15 con for more HP and more consentration save chances

the rest is your choice, you can add some charisma or some int, doesnt really matter.

The clerics I play excel in melee. There are plenty of very strong maces which supports a strong melee cleric. And you eventually run out of spell slots if you are using them too generous without long resting in time.