Are there any truly good or evil party members?

[mitchincredible]

The closest I think to good and evil are Minsc and Astarion, respectively. I don't know why people think Minthara is the 'evil' character or why she was originally relegated to only evil playthroughs.

[GrandMajora]

Postat inițial de ShockedHearts:

and gale is a good guy but his lack of care of others makes his actions appear chaotic and self absorbed.

his entire existence and story is chaotic despite him as a person appearing rather plain. its his whole thing.

In the case of Gale, this is not open to interpretation. I told you that he explicitly describes himself as being neutral, and that he does not allow concepts like good and evil to constrain him.

Mystra, Elminster, and even Tara are all disappointed in Gale's pursuit of godhood, because they know he's ultimately doing it for his own self interest, rather than the betterment of mankind.

[Quacksalber]

Postat inițial de GrandMajora:

Postat inițial de ShockedHearts:

Wyll and Karlach are both lawful good.

Astarion is chaotic neutral

Laezel is Lawful Evil

Shadowheart is pure neutral

Gale is Chaotic Good.

Karlach is good, but sure as heck isn't lawful.

Gale is Neutral, and will outright tell you as much during his Epilogue if he successfully becomes a god.

He claims that he is the god of ambition, not the god of the consequences of ambition. He does not concern himself with moral dilemmas like good and evil.

How can he become a God? I thought Mystra powerword remove from existenced him if he tried?

[ShockedHearts]

Postat inițial de GrandMajora:

Postat inițial de ShockedHearts:

and gale is a good guy but his lack of care of others makes his actions appear chaotic and self absorbed.

his entire existence and story is chaotic despite him as a person appearing rather plain. its his whole thing.

In the case of Gale, this is not open to interpretation. I told you that he explicitly describes himself as being neutral, and that he does not allow concepts like good and evil to constrain him.

Mystra, Elminster, and even Tara are all disappointed in Gale's pursuit of godhood, because they know he's ultimately doing it for his own self interest, rather than the betterment of mankind.

perception of oneself is not definitive.

gale 100% does allow good and evil to effect him. he ACTIVELY appreciates you doing good things throughout your playthrough. and hates you doing evil things.

he actively goes out of his way for the better good.

if anything he is chaotic good or chaotic neutral. just because his incredible ambition leads him to incredible acts of selfishness, despite his good nature, demeanor and charm.

[Sterling]

Wyll, Karlach, Minsc, Halsin, selunite route Shadowheart.
Gale is not good aligned, he is more chaotic neutral.

[ShockedHearts]

Postat inițial de Sterling:

Wyll, Karlach, Minsc, Halsin, selunite route Shadowheart.
Gale is not good aligned, he is more chaotic neutral.

I agree, the only reason i think gale can be considered good is due to him agreeing with the player being good on almost every possible opportunity.

[Anima Mundi]

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Postat inițial de Sterling:

Wyll, Karlach, Minsc, Halsin, selunite route Shadowheart.
Gale is not good aligned, he is more chaotic neutral.

I agree, the only reason i think gale can be considered good is due to him agreeing with the player being good on almost every possible opportunity.

there are a few instances where Gale actively wants you to help people. You may have missed the dialogue, but he is good aligned.
The issue is that they made him with a lot of plasticity. The player can literally influence him into a dark path, he is inherently ambitious and that can corrupt him.
so much nUaNcE

[GrandMajora]

Postat inițial de EH!:

How can he become a God? I thought Mystra powerword remove from existenced him if he tried?

Mystra doesn't stop him from becoming a god, she stops him from trying to seize control of The Weave and usurp her power.

In the original ending, Gale is ultimately destroyed by Mystra when the game forces a confrontation between the two if you refuse to give up the crown.

But with the new Epilogue endings, you can get a somewhat better ending for Gale. If you are romancing him, he'll even offer you the chance to become a god alongside him and take you to his realm.

[Anima Mundi]

the amount of spoilers we spilled on a simple thread about alignments is astonishing lol

[Quacksalber]

Postat inițial de GrandMajora:

Postat inițial de EH!:

How can he become a God? I thought Mystra powerword remove from existenced him if he tried?

Mystra doesn't stop him from becoming a god, she stops him from trying to seize control of The Weave and usurp her power.

In the original ending, Gale is ultimately destroyed by Mystra when the game forces a confrontation between the two if you refuse to give up the crown.

But with the new Epilogue endings, you can get a somewhat better ending for Gale. If you are romancing him, he'll even offer you the chance to become a god alongside him and take you to his realm.

Interesting. I'm currently romancing him as ascended Astarion, so I wonder how this will play out.

[Trolleur_Durden]

Most companions have a starting alignement which can shifts depending of your interactions with them. The most obvious one being Shadowheart, which starts neutral (likes avoidance of danger, keeping to herself, dislikes both selfless acts and needless cruelty, likes innocent beings like animals and children), and becomes either good or evil depending of the outcome of her encounter with the Nightsong.

Gale is also neutral, despite leaning towards good at start. He's optimistic and carefree, likes diplomacy, avoiding violence and helping others whenever it isn't too costly or risky, but remains at his core someone self-centered, who will always prioritize his own needs and ambitions. He can shift a little bit towards good or evil, becoming either more humble and wise by learning from his mistakes or doubling down on his ambition and thirst for powerful magic, but he will remain overall neutral no matter what, and you can have him follow you through the best and worst choices in the game without issue.

Karlach, Wyll, Halsin, Jaheira and Minsc are good-aligned and stay that way, they will always react negatively to evil choices you make and there's no way to prevent that.

Lae'Zel and Astarion are evil at start. They are self-centrered, have no issues doing violent or evil acts to fulfill their needs or objectives and have almost no empathy for others, reacting negatively to most selfless acts you do. Both can shift towards neutrality over the course of the game and their character development, or double down on being ruthlessly evil.

And finally, Minthara is utterly evil and will stay that way no matter what, despite the fact that she turns on the cult of the Absolute.

[mitchincredible]

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Postat inițial de mitchincredible:

Okay, so she should've been mad when Halsin joined the camp (I did the knockout trick). But instead she got an inspiration for it!

It was my understanding that Halsin, Jaheira and Minsc were impossible to recruit if you went the Minthara route? If you've got Halsin and Minthara, then it means you cheesed the game and did something you weren't supposed to.

As I said before, Minthara encourages some of the party members to be the worst versions of themselves. She actively urges Shadowheart to kill the Aasmiar and become Shar's chosen, she supports Astarion sacrificing 7,000 souls to become the Vampire Ascendant...

And if I remember correctly, she's also completely on board with you using the super tadpole to finish your 'evolution' into a full Mind Flayer.

Patch 5 explicitly added the option for Minthara to be knocked out and end up being judged by Ketheric for failing her mission - you then recruit her by saving her from punishment.

They knew what they were doing - it's not 'cheesing' anymore. However they haven't fleshed out the game to account for Minthara and Halsin being in the same playthrough.

[mitchincredible]

Postat inițial de Sterling:

Wyll, Karlach, Minsc, Halsin, selunite route Shadowheart.
Gale is not good aligned, he is more chaotic neutral.

Gale is a God-rapist.