Is this the best RPG ever made?

[Atlas32]

The scope, the length, the quality of the animations and models, the music. Could this be the contender for the best RPG ever made? what could rival it?

[pascal.difolco]

I'd say yes
And I've played most cRPG that released in the last .. 30 years (since Ultima and Wizardry) !

[KOZAH]

baldur's gate 2 is easily the best crpg ive ever played. i have done a full, modded, minimum 100 hour playthrough at least once a year since its launch in 1999? 2000? its never felt stale except for the opening dungeon, but thats always aleviated once you hear David Warner's amazing voice acting! Bg3 is pretty solid, but it feels a little clunky for something so modern. I can't place it, but Divinity Original Sin 1/2 also felt that way. Solid runner-ups include Neverwinter Nights, Icewind Dale, Dragon Age... i'm sure i'm forgetting a lot of good ones, but those are the immediate ones that spring to mind.

[SoundsOfNight]

Originally posted by Shells:

Originally posted by Zef:

Funny that you mention DAO, cause BG3 absolutely wins against DAO in every category.

Oh yeah, and while you have never designed, produced and marketed PC games I made 20, had 50 employees and made a living for them. Don't start messing with people you can't cope with, clueless amateur!

Aren't you the epitome of skill issue posts? All of ever see is you complaining about one thing or another. Sorry that games have passed your old *** by!

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Depending on what you mean, there are different rpgs and they fit into different categories in their categories

[Exarch_Alpha]

Bizarre opinion: Planescape Torment and... Undertale

Nyeh Heh Heh

[barrybarrington90]

I'm half-convinced you're trolling when you add "the music", even RPGs with shoestring kickstarter budgets like Tyranny had a better musical score. Scope is also very narrow compared to a lot of RPGs.

But the correct answer for the GOAT is Fallout 2. BG3 might break the top 20 if you're being charitable. The only categories BG3 definitely wins in is voice acting.

[nuther]

Dragon Age Origin

[SoundsOfNight]

Originally posted by barrybarrington90:

I'm half-convinced you're trolling when you add "the music", even RPGs with shoestring kickstarter budgets like Tyranny had a better musical score. Scope is also very narrow compared to a lot of RPGs.

But the correct answer for the GOAT is Fallout 2. BG3 might break the top 20 if you're being charitable. The only categories BG3 definitely wins in is voice acting.

Ppl are entitled to their options, to which I think many would disagree with yours about Fallout 2. I found the game dull and less focused than Fallout 1.

[Popsicles]

BG2 is still the king. I can't believe people even mention the poorly made Pathfinder games in the same breath as BG.

[barrybarrington90]

Originally posted by DragonSoundxSG:

Originally posted by barrybarrington90:

I'm half-convinced you're trolling when you add "the music", even RPGs with shoestring kickstarter budgets like Tyranny had a better musical score. Scope is also very narrow compared to a lot of RPGs.

But the correct answer for the GOAT is Fallout 2. BG3 might break the top 20 if you're being charitable. The only categories BG3 definitely wins in is voice acting.

Ppl are entitled to their options, to which I think many would disagree with yours about Fallout 2. I found the game dull and less focused than Fallout 1.

Many would be wrong then, hah.

I'm joking, but seriously though, if you need any more evidence that opinions can indeed be wrong, I'm going to again draw attention to the OP highlighting BG3's utterly forgettable soundtrack as part of the GOAT argument. It didn't even have the best soundtrack of the past couple months, that award would go to Laika: Aged Through Blood.

[Sigs]

Absolutely not.

[travisdead1]

Originally posted by Babbles:

Uhm, Baldurs Gate 2? The 2 Pathfinder Games, The Witcher 3, maybe Never Winter Nights 2.

Eye of the Beholder from 1991 ... if you are an old fart.

As I am! I loved playing Eye of the Beholder on my father's PC :)

[G00N3R]

Witcher 3 is still far superior.

Baldur's Gate 3 is very good. The story is amazing, both in terms of characters, writing, and player choice. Voice acting is probably the best you'll hear in a video game.

However, BG3's combat is not properly balanced. Act 1 is frustratingly hard, act 2 is actually enjoyable, act 3 is almost laughably easy except for one boss fight that is optional depending on what ending you want.

And from a technical point of view, BG3 was a mess. Or at least, it was when I played it in September. Its worth pointing out that only 36% of players have the achievement for completing act 2, and act 3 is where it falls apart. So the majority of players haven't yet reached the areas that have most problems.

When a game requires 1000 bug fixes in its 4th patch, months after release, nobody can deny it was released too early. Probably rushed it out before Starfield, expecting that game to be more popular than it turned out to be.

Based on the stuff they've added in patch 5, it sounds like the game is still effectively in early access. I wish I'd waited until next year to play it.

[Josephus]

Originally posted by Babbles:

Uhm, Baldurs Gate 2? The 2 Pathfinder Games, The Witcher 3, maybe Never Winter Nights 2.

Eye of the Beholder from 1991 ... if you are an old fart.

With respect, this is nostalgia. I have finished all of those games and none compare - only because it just was not technically possible. The stories told and the worlds built will live on in our hearts.

BG3 is something new. Where the others have quest trees and flags that are set to enable or lock out dialog and quest options along with an NPC approval system, the BG3 "DM" Swen referred to has WAY more options to respond to dice rolls governing role play, and they are ALL fully voice acted and most with custom cut scenes made for just that random success or failure.

Larian thought of ALL the possible results for passive and role-play ROLLS like Perception, Insight, Deception. I am a Persuation person. I build a pretty Tav and buff her Persuasion even more. I have talked my way out of SO many fights and the depth of the conversations can be amazing, so much so that the limitation you run into is lack of nuance in YOUR response choices - Something Larian could never account for. The very idea that I want this nuance as a player is a tribute to the world Larian has created.

So yes, BG3 IS the best RPG ever made.

So far.

A new bar has been set regardless of game industry denials.

[mrsir]

Originally posted by Shells:

Originally posted by Zef:

Funny that you mention DAO, cause BG3 absolutely wins against DAO in every category.

Oh yeah, and while you have never designed, produced and marketed PC games I made 20, had 50 employees and made a living for them. Don't start messing with people you can't cope with, clueless amateur!

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