Can no longer quick kill Cazador...thanks devs.

[Krystal]

One of the more annoying end game boss fights just became even more annoying, it was already hard enough to get him into a position to knock him off to begin with but now, the entire act is pointless as he'll just turn into mist and float back onto solid ground if shoved off... I beat him the legit way mind you but only because i couldn't get him close to a ledge and shove him off.

[The Tempted Man]

Why punish players for creativity in a single player game.....

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Demiurge:

I never shoved bosses or any others off ledges. Didn't even know that was a thing. Sounds lame tbh

You can shove Ethel into the pit she's trying to drop the girl into.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by The Tempted Man:

Why punish players for creativity in a single player game.....

It's not a punishment, it's an opportunity to find even more creative ways to win!

[Mike Garrison]

Originally posted by !Slothboy93!:

Originally posted by L3wt:

Yeah they messed up big time here. Their previous game made you immune to ground surfaces when flying. I dunno how their brain fell out on this one.

It really depends on a lot of different factors. For example do you have a flying speed all the time or do you only have it when you cast the fly spell or drink the fly potion? If you have to cast the fly spell do you have enough time to do so with an action before you fall to the ground (tbh this would be a waste anyway if you have feather fall). It isn't as simple as Cazador can fly and I can have the ability to fly so I should have the same perk.

If I'm part-illithid I can fly as easily as walking, and should never take fall damage or get killed in a chasm. Not unless I am knocked out or magically held or something like that.

[⛧NecRoBile⛧]

Originally posted by deathsia:

One of the more annoying end game boss fights just became even more annoying, it was already hard enough to get him into a position to knock him off to begin with but now, the entire act is pointless as he'll just turn into mist and float back onto solid ground if shoved off... I beat him the legit way mind you but only because i couldn't get him close to a ledge and shove him off.

Dude, a vampire with all of his powers dying from being knocked off a ledge is a bad vampire. If I could turn into mist I'd jump off of all sorts of things and change right before I hit the ground.

The update makes sense to me.

[IvyDefiant]

I just cast daylight on myself and sneak up behind him and stand there. Is that patched out too now?

[Jarmer]

I totally shouldn't have but I cheesed him in the normal game by sneak shotting him from outside range + 2 normal arrows and he was downed and inside his coffin before combat could even initiate. I then had to fight the other spawns in the area but they were easy peasy. So I didn't even fight him at all.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by !Slothboy93!:

Originally posted by L3wt:

Yeah they messed up big time here. Their previous game made you immune to ground surfaces when flying. I dunno how their brain fell out on this one.

It really depends on a lot of different factors. For example do you have a flying speed all the time or do you only have it when you cast the fly spell or drink the fly potion? If you have to cast the fly spell do you have enough time to do so with an action before you fall to the ground (tbh this would be a waste anyway if you have feather fall). It isn't as simple as Cazador can fly and I can have the ability to fly so I should have the same perk.

I was thinking about this, and while the Fly spell is a full action, there's also this to consider:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T-xrG1jQyo

The question is, can a character take an action (any action), while midair, falling? I mean, D&D is a turn based game, but when someone is falling, do they just instantly teleport to the ground and take full falling damage, or should there be some kind of calculation (that then slows down gameplay) determining how long it takes to hit the ground, and thus how many actions they can take before this happens?

I mean, this is basically why Feather Fall is a reaction spell, amirite?

I think spells like Fly could be turned into ritual spells if used out of combat, reactions if used during combat. Also, I wish they granted actual flight, and not Larian's stupid "big jump" interpretation.

[Kafik]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

You two would not survive as GM's, if you think the players should be forced to handle difficult encounters the way the devs intended it.

Lol yeah what kind of fool thinks people should play the game as designed?

[parent child bowl]

Originally posted by Demiurge:

I never shoved bosses or any others off ledges. Didn't even know that was a thing. Sounds lame tbh

Well, it is. Anybody that thinks that shoving bosses into pits is creative, needs to get off of whatever they are taking.

[SpaceWombat]

That fight is already so easy lmao. Just fall back to the stairway you enter from and cast an area denial spell like firewall.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by SpaceWombat:

That fight is already so easy lmao. Just fall back to the stairway you enter from and cast an area denial spell like firewall. :lukasLaugh:

I don't think the point is about how easy it is or not, it's just that people hate having things taken away from them.

This person obviously used shoving Cazzie into a pit before, and thought that was pretty cool, but now that it's gone, he misses it.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Mal:

Lol yeah what kind of fool thinks people should play the game as designed?

Rules Lawyers, that's who.

The kind of people who hate having fun.

[Mister Zero]

I just snipe him before the custscene and then pound him into the dirt with the available fighter and barbarian.

[Doomsayer]

If you yeet him off the edge you lose out on loot anyways... Cast daylight on a ball and throw it near him. It does most of the work for you lol.