Confused about "Paid the price" condition

[GloriousZote]

I've seen people say that you can't crit anymore with this condition, but the condition doesn't mention this at all, so is that even true?

[GloriousZote]

The condition reads:
You have a +1 bonus to Intimidation checks, but Disadvantage on Perception checks. Additionally, you have Disadvantage when attacking Hags.
So I guess I can't crit hags (Or you're just extremely unlikely to), but that's about it in that regard, unless its a hidden effect that neither wiki mentions.

[solaris32]

Disadvantage doesn't stop crits, it just means you roll twice and take the lowest die. You can then still crit with damage if you manage to hit.

[GloriousZote]

Originally posted by solaris32:

Disadvantage doesn't stop crits, it just means you roll twice and take the lowest die. You can then still crit with damage if you manage to hit.

Yeah I just said I'm confused why people are saying it doesn't allow crits, especially when it says the disadvantage only applies to hags, I'm asking if there's a hidden debuff to it or if I'm missing something else.

[solaris32]

Originally posted by GloriousZote:

Originally posted by solaris32:

Disadvantage doesn't stop crits, it just means you roll twice and take the lowest die. You can then still crit with damage if you manage to hit.

Yeah I just said I'm confused why people are saying it doesn't allow crits, especially when it says the disadvantage only applies to hags, I'm asking if there's a hidden debuff to it or if I'm missing something else.

If the condition doesn't mention it then it's not true. I only got it once briefly to see, and don't remember now. Just that it isn't worth it unless you want to roleplay, but you're better off with Volo's surgery.

[ShockedHearts]

you can. im running a crit duel wielder and have paid the price since the start of the game. get crits all the time

[Cthulhu]

the no-crit perma-condition was in the first version of that debuff in the EA
now the "paid the price" condition do exactly what it describes in the popup
(that anyway sux a bit imo because you get disvantage on perception checks! damn!)

[GloriousZote]

Originally posted by Cthulhu:

the no-crit perma-condition was in the first version of that debuff in the EA
now the "paid the price" condition do exactly what it describes in the popup
(that anyway sux a bit imo because you get disvantage on perception checks! damn!)

Thanks for the clarification.

[LordNibbler]

Simple: it had that effect in Early Access but that was changed/removed for the release version (as it'd be a rather harsh disadvantage).

If you "see people saying that" you should check the date of the post where you read it ;)

Heh, Cthulhu was a minute faster ^^

[GloriousZote]

Originally posted by LordNibbler:

Simple: it had that effect in Early Access but that was changed/removed for the release version (as it'd be a rather harsh disadvantage).

If you "see people saying that" you should check the date of the post where you read it ;)

Heh, Cthulhu was a minute faster ^^

See the confusing part is that those posts were post-release.

[Moonbane]

Important note however. The hag's impromptu eye surgery is mutually exclusive with Volo's eye surgery, as you dont want to be blinded.

Also, Wyll wont accept either of the eye surgeries, as he only have one good eye. The second being Mizora's spystone.

Edit: Re-read the thread. Interesting changes to the Hag's offer however. Definitely makes it more palatable. And as long you arent a perception spotter the debuff doesnt matter too much. But yes, +1 intimidation is fairly weaksauce compared to see invisible.

[GloriousZote]

Originally posted by Moonbane:

Important note however. The hag's impromptu eye surgery is mutually exclusive with Volo's eye surgery, as you dont want to be blinded.

Also, Wyll wont accept either of the eye surgeries, as he only have one good eye. The second being Mizora's spystone.

Edit: Re-read the thread. Interesting changes to the Hag's offer however. Definitely makes it more palatable. And as long you arent a perception spotter the debuff doesnt matter too much. But yes, +1 intimidation is fairly weaksauce compared to see invisible.

I wouldn't mind the "noi more crits" if it had a better bonus on intimidation, it'd be a huge debuff so it'd require like a +5 or something on intimidation.
Yes you'd never crit, but intimidation would become a near-guaranteed success.

I do wish Wyll could replace his spystone eye, do something about the Mizora turning the new eye into a spystone, wyll would look a lot better with Volo's eye, or an eyepatch?

[Lord Kouranis]

Originally posted by solaris32:

Originally posted by GloriousZote:

Yeah I just said I'm confused why people are saying it doesn't allow crits, especially when it says the disadvantage only applies to hags, I'm asking if there's a hidden debuff to it or if I'm missing something else.

If the condition doesn't mention it then it's not true. I only got it once briefly to see, and don't remember now. Just that it isn't worth it unless you want to roleplay, but you're better off with Volo's surgery.

"but you're better off with Volo's surgery" - Volo

"Nay wanderer, I would rather dine with an crazed owlbear charmed by a kobold; than to have that madman traipse around my skull with a pointy bit of metal" - Elminster