Any ideas on defeating netherbrain?

[GmanUK1965]

So I'm stuck where you have to get your characters to the crown and use netherstones. I've looked at youtube and they all seem to use invisibility on all their characters but whenever I try it just gets countered every time. I'm using 2 wizards, shadowheart and asterion.

[flardy]

Dome of invincibility is the best way. You can get a scroll for it in the wizzard tower vault thing

[Clever Name]

Origineel geplaatst door GmanUK1965:

What do you mean the entirety of Lorroakan's tower. I killed him via the correct portal but he didn't drop much except a staff and armour. I think my staff is better though I equipped the armour

Next is Raphael's

You've got to reach his vault. Look down from the place where you fought him. There's a way to jump down.

Cast a 'see the invisible' to make things easier, once you're on the level below the fight area. At that point you'll just have to figure out the rest. It's more tedious than difficult. No fights or anything like that.

[Clever Name]

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I tried The house of Hope but had no chance. Once I stole the hammer and the gauntlets and kill all the minions with not many spells to play with and the Raphael with all his powerful minions and his 666 hit points I had no chance I tried to get Yurgar to side with me but couldn't get the dice roll.

Raphael's bedroom has a feature that heals you and gives you the equivalent of a long rest. I missed this the first time around, but after I discovered it, it makes fighting him rather trivial. You can face him fresh as a daisy.

[GmanUK1965]

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Origineel geplaatst door GmanUK1965:

I tried The house of Hope but had no chance. Once I stole the hammer and the gauntlets and kill all the minions with not many spells to play with and the Raphael with all his powerful minions and his 666 hit points I had no chance I tried to get Yurgar to side with me but couldn't get the dice roll.

Raphael's bedroom has a feature that heals you and gives you the equivalent of a long rest. I missed this the first time around, but after I discovered it, it makes fighting him rather trivial. You can face him fresh as a daisy.

I'll check on that on my next playthrough. I'm just going to perservere with this one and try defeating the brain again

[VastGirth]

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Origineel geplaatst door GmanUK1965:

What do you mean the entirety of Lorroakan's tower. I killed him via the correct portal but he didn't drop much except a staff and armour. I think my staff is better though I equipped the armour

Next is Raphael's

I tried The house of Hope but had no chance. Once I stole the hammer and the gauntlets and kill all the minions with not many spells to play with and the Raphael with all his powerful minions and his 666 hit points I had no chance I tried to get Yurgar to side with me but couldn't get the dice roll.

The Netherbrain fight has got to be much easier than this especially with all the advice given

I did think this fight was a bit harder than the netherbrain but it still should not be that hard at level 12. You need to neutalise Raphael, (if i recall correctly I used command and then banish), while you take our the rest, then just wail on him. A few summons don't hurt as well to keep enemies distracted.

This is all pretty basic stuff really. I defended you before, but I'm starting to wonder how you made it this far. Do you have a DPS character in your party? You need someone doing at least around 50 damage a hit to get the big bads down quickly.

[Clever Name]

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This is all pretty basic stuff really. I defended you before, but I'm starting to wonder how you made it this far. Do you have a DPS character in your party? You need someone doing at least around 50 damage a hit to get the big bads down quickly.

I would say that, at level 12, at least 3 party members should be capable of doing an absolute minimum of 50 dmg per turn. So that's 150 for the whole party.

With even a little optimization (respec'ing, etc), it's not hard to have, for example, a monk and a fighter who deal at least 100 dmg each, per turn. A longbow rogue can do about 70 on average. So right there you're looking at close to 300 for the whole party (assuming the 4th is a utility character/healer). This is without using haste or elixirs or anything beyond normal class abilities and gear bonuses.

The only thing difficult about Raphael is his AoE attacks. I clumped everyone together in a magical darkness area (I know he can see through it, but his minions can't) and could shrug off his AoE damage because I had my own healer, plus Hope. With two sources of healing, there's really no chance the fight can get out of hand.

I'm sure there's a dozen different ways to beat him faster, but that was my method. Literally zero tactical complexity. Just stand there like a moron and out-heal the damage done to my party.

[VastGirth]

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Origineel geplaatst door VastGirth:

This is all pretty basic stuff really. I defended you before, but I'm starting to wonder how you made it this far. Do you have a DPS character in your party? You need someone doing at least around 50 damage a hit to get the big bads down quickly.

I would say that, at level 12, at least 3 party members should be capable of doing an absolute minimum of 50 dmg per turn. So that's 150 for the whole party.

With even a little optimization (respec'ing, etc), it's not hard to have, for example, a monk and a fighter who both do at least 100 dmg each, per turn. A longbow rogue can do about 70 on average. So right there you're looking at close to 300 for the whole party. This is without using haste or elixirs or anything beyond normal class abilities and gear bonuses.

The only thing difficult about Raphael is his AoE attacks. I clumped everyone together in a darkness area (I know he can see through it, but his minions can't) and could shrug off his AoE damage because I had my own healer, plus Hope. With two sources of healing, there's really no chance the fight can get out of hand.

I'm sure there's a dozen different ways to beat him faster, but that was my method. Literally zero tactical complexity. Just stand there like a moron and out-heal the damage done to my party.

Only my main tav does big melee damage but he gets at least 3 or 4 attacks per turn. Combined with Gale for AoE, Shadowheart for support and Asterion as the utility character. Got me through most big fights with relative ease.

[Clever Name]

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Only my main tav does big melee damage but he gets at least 3 or 4 attacks per turn. Combined with Gale for AoE, Shadowheart for support and Asterion as the utility character. Got me through most big fights with relative ease.

I despised Shadowheart when I tried to make her into a damage build. Even with full Shar gear (if you send her down that path) and bonuses from the upgraded spear, and fighting in darkness, I still found her overall damage output deplorable compared to a fighter or a monk.

Again, I'm sure there's a dozen different ways to better utilize a cleric, but I haven't found them and I'm not about to use a guide. So I just make them dedicated healers and damage sponges. Seems to work adequately.

[GmanUK1965]

Done it - Just. Shadowheart was left then she killed the brain. Not that difficult until you know how, of which I wouldn't have known without you all. Thank you

[GrandMajora]

The hardest part is getting to the crown and keeping whoever has the stones focusing long enough to open the portal. Since the enemy can stun them (disrupting the spell), or bombard them with magic missiles.

Once the portal is open, the nether brain actually dies very quickly. Aside from those time bombs that destroy the platforms, it doesn't really have much defensive capabilities.