i just learned dnd is removing half-elves and half-orcs

[D-Black Catto]

https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/04/04/dungeons-dragons-to-remove-half-species-from-players-handbook-claims-entire-the-entire-idea-is-inherently-racist/

and im just happy baldurs gate 3 comes out before this insanity kicks in. imagine a world without jaheira!

edit: apparently they are just reworking the half system to make any race being able to be a half. pretty cool tbh

[Snaxxor]

Pan Darius Loveless eredeti hozzászólása:

Good riddance, as 'alignment' was always one of the worst aspects of D&D, next to THAC0.

Now, you wouldn't want them to bring THAC0 back, would you?

no alignment is amazing, THAC0 is just dumb

[Quillithe]

snowyonetwo eredeti hozzászólása:

I find this extremely sad as I play half-elves very frequently. I likely will stop playing D&D as a result and switch purely to pathfinder. A generic option just isn't the same.

You can just keep playing half-elves

[Quillithe]

Huh, this ended up on alignment again? Ol' reliable.

[Yojo0o]

GrandMajora eredeti hozzászólása:

Pan Darius Loveless eredeti hozzászólása:

Good riddance, as 'alignment' was always one of the worst aspects of D&D, next to THAC0.

Now, you wouldn't want them to bring THAC0 back, would you?

What's the big deal?

Originally, having an armor class in the negatives was considered best. Now they inverted it so that having an AC in the positives is best.

All they did was flip it in the other direction.

That exact logic could be applied to the language surrounding hybrid species.

What's the big deal? They're just changing some labels.

[GrandMajora]

Snaxxor eredeti hozzászólása:

no alignment is amazing, THAC0 is just dumb

I don't really know the specifics about THACO beyond the name, so I've got no comment on that.


Personally, I've always been more confused by what the hell an 18/98 Strength score was supposed to mean.

[GrandMajora]

Yojo0o eredeti hozzászólása:

That exact logic could be applied to the language surrounding hybrid species.

What's the big deal? They're just changing some labels.

No, it goes beyond that. If you have a species who is naturally predisposed to being physically strong, agile, clever, or magically apt, you expect to inherit some of those traits when mixing them with another.

Unless we go with the idea that every single trait from one of the parents becomes recessive genes (which sounds highly unlikely), a halfbreed between two or more radically different species should exhibit qualities from both.

I'm not going to accept this BS about how all the races in D&D are equally the same. That diversity was always meant to be the signature trait of Humans, and Humans alone. It's the one and only thing that allowed them to stand out among a world full of exceptional and fantastic races.

You take away their monopoly on that, and you render Humans redundant and useless.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

GrandMajora eredeti hozzászólása:

Yojo0o eredeti hozzászólása:

That exact logic could be applied to the language surrounding hybrid species.

What's the big deal? They're just changing some labels.

No, it goes beyond that. If you have a species who is naturally predisposed to being physically strong, agile, clever, or magically apt, you expect to inherit some of those traits when mixing them with another.

Unless we go with the idea that every single trait from one of the parents becomes recessive genes (which sounds highly unlikely), a halfbreed between two or more radically different species should exhibit qualities from both.

I'm not going to accept this BS about how all the races in D&D are equally the same. That diversity was always meant to be the signature trait of Humans, and Humans alone. It's the one and only thing that allowed them to stand out among a world full of exceptional and fantastic races.

You take away their monopoly on that, and you render Humans redundant and useless.

NPC's aren't the same as PC's.

While the average elf might be very agile, that doesn't mean there aren't examples, as uncommon as they may be, of less agile and stronger elves, like Halsin.

That's where character creation can differ from the global average within the world itself.

PC's are unusual specimen (sometimes).

[Snaxxor]

GrandMajora eredeti hozzászólása:

Snaxxor eredeti hozzászólása:

no alignment is amazing, THAC0 is just dumb

I don't really know the specifics about THACO beyond the name, so I've got no comment on that.


Personally, I've always been more confused by what the hell an 18/98 Strength score was supposed to mean.

All you need to do is just play Baldur's gate 1 and 2 and you will be an expert at why THAC0 is dumb. To summarize though basically it's just negative number good positive number bad and there are way better ways to calculate armor class, especially since armor class is another way of saying 'chance to dodge'

Also yea 18/98 and the fraction stuff is weird, it's supposed to act as a soft-cap till you hit 19 or higher where your carry capacity and damage can go through the roof but again, this is just another way to over complicate it by making it look weird for the sake of it.

[KeepCleaving]

Quillithe eredeti hozzászólása:

snowyonetwo eredeti hozzászólása:

I find this extremely sad as I play half-elves very frequently. I likely will stop playing D&D as a result and switch purely to pathfinder. A generic option just isn't the same.

You can just keep playing half-elves

You can't "just" keep playing half-elf.
1. You have to have enough money to have both new 5e and Legacy content
2. Your DM has to want to run legacy content
3. Sanctioned events won't use legacy content.
4. There are 0 unique traits provided for half-races in the new 5e. They tell you to "pretend" that you are a half-race if you wanna so bad, tell you to go with what ever parent racial set you want/size/ etc.
Example:
Menacing
You gain proficiency in the Intimidation skill.

Relentless Endurance
When you are reduced to 0 hit points but not killed outright, you can drop to 1 hit point instead. You can’t use this feature again until you finish a long rest.

Savage Attacks
When you score a critical hit with a melee weapon attack, you can roll one of the weapon’s damage dice one additional time and add it to the extra damage of the critical hit.

These are half-orc racials. No longer 5e. They will be "Legacy" content.
when 6e comes, they will pretend half-races and races in general never existed. It will only be full species.

[Yojo0o]

KeepCleaving eredeti hozzászólása:

Quillithe eredeti hozzászólása:

You can just keep playing half-elves

You can't "just" keep playing half-elf.
1. You have to have enough money to have both new 5e and Legacy content
2. Your DM has to want to run legacy content
3. Sanctioned events won't use legacy content.
4. There are 0 unique traits provided for half-races in the new 5e. They tell you to "pretend" that you are a half-race if you wanna so bad, tell you to go with what ever parent racial set you want/size/ etc.
Example:
Menacing
You gain proficiency in the Intimidation skill.

Relentless Endurance
When you are reduced to 0 hit points but not killed outright, you can drop to 1 hit point instead. You can’t use this feature again until you finish a long rest.

Savage Attacks
When you score a critical hit with a melee weapon attack, you can roll one of the weapon’s damage dice one additional time and add it to the extra damage of the critical hit.

These are half-orc racials. No longer 5e. They will be "Legacy" content.
when 6e comes, they will pretend half-races and races in general never existed. It will only be full species.

No idea where you're getting any of this.

OneDnD is very explicitly not 6e, which kinda clouds your entire point. You're arguing from a false premise. This is just more additional 5e content. I'd be utterly shocked to see any DM with a game worth participating in somehow ban half-elves.

[KeepCleaving]

Yojo0o eredeti hozzászólása:

KeepCleaving eredeti hozzászólása:

You can't "just" keep playing half-elf.
1. You have to have enough money to have both new 5e and Legacy content
2. Your DM has to want to run legacy content
3. Sanctioned events won't use legacy content.
4. There are 0 unique traits provided for half-races in the new 5e. They tell you to "pretend" that you are a half-race if you wanna so bad, tell you to go with what ever parent racial set you want/size/ etc.
Example:
Menacing
You gain proficiency in the Intimidation skill.

Relentless Endurance
When you are reduced to 0 hit points but not killed outright, you can drop to 1 hit point instead. You can’t use this feature again until you finish a long rest.

Savage Attacks
When you score a critical hit with a melee weapon attack, you can roll one of the weapon’s damage dice one additional time and add it to the extra damage of the critical hit.

These are half-orc racials. No longer 5e. They will be "Legacy" content.
when 6e comes, they will pretend half-races and races in general never existed. It will only be full species.

No idea where you're getting any of this.

OneDnD is very explicitly not 6e, which kinda clouds your entire point. You're arguing from a false premise. This is just more additional 5e content. I'd be utterly shocked to see any DM with a game worth participating in somehow ban half-elves.

I never said 5e was 6e. keep up!

All of it is in the One DND playtest (now called 5e)

[Yojo0o]

KeepCleaving eredeti hozzászólása:

Yojo0o eredeti hozzászólása:

No idea where you're getting any of this.

OneDnD is very explicitly not 6e, which kinda clouds your entire point. You're arguing from a false premise. This is just more additional 5e content. I'd be utterly shocked to see any DM with a game worth participating in somehow ban half-elves.

I never said 5e was 6e. keep up!

You're referring to 6e in this post. There is no 6e. Rather than tell me "keep up!", perhaps you can explain the discrepancy here?

[KeepCleaving]

Yojo0o eredeti hozzászólása:

KeepCleaving eredeti hozzászólása:

I never said 5e was 6e. keep up!

You're referring to 6e in this post. There is no 6e. Rather than tell me "keep up!", perhaps you can explain the discrepancy here?

I can say the moon is amazing, in any post I wan't. doesn't mean it linked it to dnd 5e or one dnd.
6e eventually comes after 5e (aka 5e+, 5.5e, OneDnd). The only 2 reasons they tell you that you can use old half races from older books, is because they made a promise in the beginning of developing one dnd that it would be compatible. And they can't walk into your house and burn your books.

[Yojo0o]

KeepCleaving eredeti hozzászólása:

Yojo0o eredeti hozzászólása:

You're referring to 6e in this post. There is no 6e. Rather than tell me "keep up!", perhaps you can explain the discrepancy here?

I can say the moon is amazing, in any post I wan't. doesn't mean it linked it to dnd 5e or one dnd.
6e eventually comes after 5e (aka 5e+, 5.5e, OneDnd). The only 2 reasons they tell you that you can use old half races from older books, is because they made a promise in the beginning of developing one dnd that it would be compatible. And they can't walk into your house and burn your books.

I have no idea what the moon has to do with this. You don't need to use metaphor, you can just say what you mean.

Who says 6e eventually comes? 5e is an enduring system that WotC seems content to build upon rather than replace, given the news that OneDnD is expanding upon it. You're declaring future theoretical events like they're set in stone.

[KeepCleaving]

Yojo0o eredeti hozzászólása:

KeepCleaving eredeti hozzászólása:

I can say the moon is amazing, in any post I wan't. doesn't mean it linked it to dnd 5e or one dnd.
6e eventually comes after 5e (aka 5e+, 5.5e, OneDnd). The only 2 reasons they tell you that you can use old half races from older books, is because they made a promise in the beginning of developing one dnd that it would be compatible. And they can't walk into your house and burn your books.

I have no idea what the moon has to do with this. You don't need to use metaphor, you can just say what you mean.

Who says 6e eventually comes? 5e is an enduring system that WotC seems content to build upon rather than replace, given the news that OneDnD is expanding upon it. You're declaring future theoretical events like they're set in stone.

I don't have to declare theoreticals to get the point across, that was extra for those who give a crap.

You've been told by someone that this is "sensationalized" that they "aren't removing half races".

They indeed ARE. We not only heard it from the writer's mouth: "half races are racist, we won't be including them in the new 5e"
If you READ the playtest material. All the half-racial/species options are GONE. or not updated/included. They very specifically tell you that if you're an offspring of 2 races, that you are to pick one of the parent's racials... and move on. You're NEVER a half-race.
I would really appreciate it if you would reread the playtest material, re-listen to Crawford's quote again if you have to. and prove to me that there is a half-orc in new 5e with said above traits or any unique traits at all for being half.

And then you can not lie to people about them not removing half-races.

By that same line they "didn't remove full action, or half action" either cuz it still exists in 3rd edition. But do you KNOW anyone that plays with full and half actions in 5e? You don't because no one wants to buy the old books, do the work in mashing in old rules.