Shadowheart build feedback

[FunkyMonkey]

I'm looking for feedback on a build I have been liking on Shadowheart. I have played with Rogue (Arcane trickster) 8 / Cleric (Trickery) 4 for two playthroughs now and have really liked this.

- Respec stats to be 12 / 16 / 13 / 10 / 16 / 8.
- Start as Rogue for 2 levels to get proficiency and Expertise in Perception and Sleight of hand. Then get 4 Cleric levels, after that rest in Rogue. Arcane trickster was my pick to get more versatility and utility in spell casting.
- Feats: Resilient CON, and after that boost DEX and WIS to 18

Important specs for the build and feedback:

- Keep Trickery domain (I like it, not looking for input why you do or don't)
- High Perception and Sleight of hand. Can't stand Astarion and she's been my Rogue
- Decent damage (I have been liking sneak attack damage, but it's slow to come online with multiclassing, could be better?)

I have liked the utility she brings with this build. What would you do differently while staying in the specs I outlined?

[SIX]

I'm curious to way you want 4 cleric lv on a rogue

[FunkyMonkey]

Originally posted by SIX:

I'm curious to way you want 4 cleric lv on a rogue

Because Shadowheart is a Trickery cleric. Also it's not like it's completely useless for Rogue to have Cleric levels. Guidance on a class that makes probably the most skill checks in the game, Enhance ability, Pass without trace (with Trickery domain)...

[Aerowreck]

Sounds cool, is there any reason why to pick exactly 4 levels or cleric, and not go more or less?

I'm asking, as I still can't see most of the possibilities and synergies in 5e character building, guess 25 years of BG1/2 does that.

I've been playing with a gith monk character, focusing on strength and throwing, which has been absolutely a blast so far.

I'm killing goblins by throwing 'em with rotten fish and buckets, or with whatever mundane items I can get my hands to, heh.

[FunkyMonkey]

Originally posted by Aerowreck:

Sounds cool, is there any reason why to pick exactly 4 levels or cleric, and not go more or less?

I'm asking, as I still can't see most of the possibilities and synergies in 5e character building, guess 25 years of BG1/2 does that.

I've been playing with a gith monk character, focusing on strength and throwing, which has been absolutely a blast so far.

I'm killing goblins by throwing 'em with rotten fish and buckets, or with whatever mundane items I can get my hands to, heh. :spacemonster:

After 4 Rogue and 4 Cleric to get 2 Feats / ASIs, I didn't feel like more Cleric levels for higher level Cleric spells were important enough for what I wanted. So I went for more Arcane trickster levels to get the 2nd level wizard spells (Blur, Invisibility, Misty step...)

Yeah, Monks I usually loathe but they seem good in BG3, especially with the gear. Not likely I ever play Monk though :D

[Revan619]

I just go full cleric life/light/war or go bard 11 with 1 level in life cleric. Rogues aren't needed and don't add much.

Rather have a healer or controller.

[FunkyMonkey]

Originally posted by Revan619:

I just go full cleric life/light/war or go bard 11 with 1 level in life cleric. Rogues aren't needed and don't add much.

Rather have a healer or controller.

Thanks, do you have input on the question I asked?

Important specs for the build and feedback:

- Keep Trickery domain (I like it, not looking for input why you do or don't)
- High Perception and Sleight of hand. Can't stand Astarion and she's been my Rogue
- Decent damage (I have been liking sneak attack damage, but it's slow to come online with multiclassing, could be better?)

[Estevan Valladares]

IF it is to rebuild the character, you dont need Shadowheart for that.
But it is much easier to make her almost impossible to hit and powerful with spells to make the rest of the party practically immortal. You dont even need to change anything but give her good cleric gear and max out wisdom using 2 ability points in one feat, and wisdom resilience in the next.
By the time you are in Act 3, you might have 2 dead in your party, she can get them up to 1/3 in one turn, and full in the next. If you found the necklace, you can get her to get up if downed but not dead if it comes to that.
After you did the house of hope and picked the place clean, you can make her the strongest character in the game. And as a bonus, you get an amazing underwear. lol

[FunkyMonkey]

Originally posted by Estevan Valladares:

IF it is to rebuild the character, you dont need Shadowheart for that.
But it is much easier to make her almost impossible to hit and powerful with spells to make the rest of the party practically immortal. You dont even need to change anything but give her good cleric gear and max out wisdom using 2 ability points in one feat, and wisdom resilience in the next.
By the time you are in Act 3, you might have 2 dead in your party, she can get them up to 1/3 in one turn, and full in the next. If you found the necklace, you can get her to get up if downed but not dead if it comes to that.
After you did the house of hope and picked the place clean, you can make her the strongest character in the game. And as a bonus, you get an amazing underwear. lol

Did you read my OP? You answered pretty much none of my questions with this.

[Revan619]

Originally posted by FunkyMonkey:

Originally posted by Revan619:

I just go full cleric life/light/war or go bard 11 with 1 level in life cleric. Rogues aren't needed and don't add much.

Rather have a healer or controller.

Thanks, do you have input on the question I asked?

Important specs for the build and feedback:

- Keep Trickery domain (I like it, not looking for input why you do or don't)
- High Perception and Sleight of hand. Can't stand Astarion and she's been my Rogue
- Decent damage (I have been liking sneak attack damage, but it's slow to come online with multiclassing, could be better?)

If you want to stick to an unpopular domain that is subpar for the game there is no need to ask. Just do what you want.

You would do better looking at an actual 5e guide: https://rpgbot.net/dnd5/characters/classes/cleric/subclasses/trickery-domain/#example-build-halfelf-trickery-cleric-rogue

[FunkyMonkey]

Originally posted by Revan619:

Originally posted by FunkyMonkey:

Thanks, do you have input on the question I asked?

Important specs for the build and feedback:

- Keep Trickery domain (I like it, not looking for input why you do or don't)
- High Perception and Sleight of hand. Can't stand Astarion and she's been my Rogue
- Decent damage (I have been liking sneak attack damage, but it's slow to come online with multiclassing, could be better?)

If you want to stick to an unpopular domain that is subpar for the game there is no need to ask. Just do what you want.

You would do better looking at an actual 5e guide: https://rpgbot.net/dnd5/characters/classes/cleric/subclasses/trickery-domain/#example-build-halfelf-trickery-cleric-rogue

Why not ask? Surely there are a lot of people who are smarter / more knowledgeable about this game so that they can have input on this.

Thanks for the link, though, it's pretty much exactly what I was doing already.

[Indure]

My experience with the game.

Almost every perception check is a group check so more often than not you will suceed it by the sheer amount of rolls going against the DC.

Slight of hand is a pretty good skill, but you can get gloves very early in Act 1 that give you advantage on slight of hand checks. With just proficiency, gloves, and high dex you can breeze through 99% of locks in the game.

I'm not sure why you are leaving your Con at an odd level unless you are planning to use hag hair. Also not sure why you are tanking your Con score and then getting resilient Con at level 6.

There are so many way more powerful feats to get on a rogue.

The most powerful cleric levels are 1 and 5. Not sure why you would go for specifically 4. I know you want the 3rd feat/ASI but resil con is not needed. Your base con is bad, you don't have good spells worth protecting, and you really want those ASI increases on rogue early.

By getting 4 levels of cleric, instead of 1, you are really only getting channel divinity which trickery's is awful, and 2nd level spells which is my least used spell rank.

[Fluff]

Originally posted by FunkyMonkey:

Yeah, Monks I usually loathe but they seem good in BG3, especially with the gear. Not likely I ever play Monk though :D

https://i.imgur.com/AZGCuaI.png

They are the most broken in BG3, yep, and SorcAdins.