Warlock seems incredibly weak

[8Squirrels]

Maybe I just don't know how to build them? Am I sleeping on the class? What do you all think

[CorwynCorey]

While in essence I have usually felt multiclasses are superior to pure classes in many cases, Warlock also works fine as a pure build.
Most people who complain about not having more spells or slots miss the whole point of a pure build. They are not just "casters". They are not just ranged squishies.

They ARE reliable strikers, via whatever means their build suggests. In this game i often suggest going Pact of the Blade, simply for the variety of weapons available, and the extra attack.
I usually call Misty Step and Hex as given for needed spells. Usually Counterspell. Often Dimension door... to save friends in peril.

Reliable and decent damage. At any range.

No, they are not Paladin level crit monsters.. but then who is? That knockback at range on 3 people at once can, in the height-prone game design of BG3, makes them rather dangerous.

[Izlude]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 6sheep:

Maybe I just don't know how to build them? Am I sleeping on the class? What do you all think

get agonizing blast, it will add your charisma as a damage increase for eldritch blast which will mean you have a cantrip that can outdamage some spells that require spellslots even.

[Dragonshaos]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von lawjax:

Warlock is the Fighter of spellcasting.

This just really 'clicked' Warlocks for me, wtf

[CorwynCorey]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dragonshaos:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von lawjax:

Warlock is the Fighter of spellcasting.

This just really 'clicked' Warlocks for me, wtf

That is because they are right... They are the caster's version of a superiority fighter; Basic attacks with special uses, rechargeable on a short rest.

[GrandMajora]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zygfryd:

Can't hear you over the sound of me blasting people off ledges.

Repelling Blast never stops being satisfying. Especially when you get multiple blasts and the effect stacks!

[CorwynCorey]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GrandMajora:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zygfryd:

Can't hear you over the sound of me blasting people off ledges.

Repelling Blast never stops being satisfying. Especially when you get multiple blasts and the effect stacks!

Used one warlock (pure build) in the fight for Moonrise to clear the ceiling/rafters of the first room in one turn... and doing some serious damage... all with a cantrip and a bonus action spell.

And then stopped that Haddar cloud before it became an issue. Wyll's most heroic round in act 2 that playthrough.

[jonnin]

pure warlocks serve 3 roles pretty well.
1) those great weapons no one wants to use: pact of the blade.
2) EB spam. EB has special properties: it can be split across several targets at higher levels, like magic missile, it can knock stuff around (whether off a ledge or away from someone fragile), and that sweet +5 damage from cha 20 puts it on par with a weapon hit.
3) pretty good spellcaster, when paired with a bard gets 6 spells per long rest instead of 4, putting them on par with a sorcerer, and accessing gems like fairy fire (make everything in a giant area easy to hit) or fireball.

and, this is where it becomes awesome: those 3 things are NOT mutex. The same pact of the blade build does all 3 roles equally well. If you dont mind disadvantage on EB or dealing with being silenced or whatnot, you can even skip pact of the blade in favor of tome for a few more spells, as bad as the selection is, they are free. POTB just lets you use stuff like the starter greatsword (3-16 damage, some of it fire) when EB isn't the best choice.

Its what eldrich knight wanted to be, better than expected at both magic and melee.

[Blynat84]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von lawjax:

Warlock is the Fighter of spellcasting.

Eldrich knight is so much better in literally every way, but one. No Imp or Quasits. That is it. Better damage, better armor, more HP, more attacks, bonus attacks on top of an extra attack. I literally see no point in playing the Warlock. Unless you just like Wyll as a character.

[seeker1]

They can be good at melee, but Wyll when you make him a Hexblade with Pact of the Blade really excels at it. Alas, yes, Hexblade requires a mod.

The thing about Warlocks is they get fewer spell slots, but they restore those with every short rest. Now, normally only 2 of those before a long rest, but a) potion of angelic slumber gives the drinker an "extra" and b) you can get extra short rests if you have a bard playing song of rest for the party and c) there are both items and abilities for warlock spell slot restoration.

Managed well, a warlock can be a pretty decent caster. And near max level, they are ALWAYS upcasting their spells to 5th level.

[LordOfTheBread]

As I said in other threads on the subject (threads you made maybe?) it is not a class problem but you not understanding how the class is played.

Warlock are indeed pretty powerful and very fun to play when you know how.

[Starwight/ttv]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von LordOfTheBread:

As I said in other threads on the subject (threads you made maybe?) it is not a class problem but you not understanding how the class is played.

Warlock are indeed pretty powerful and very fun to play when you know how.

And when multiclassed, specifically because of Baldur's Gate 3's homebrew way of doing certain things, it can be one of the highest damage dealing classes in the entire game when multiclassed

[Dr. Electrocutioner]

And they just made it worse.
Pact of blade extra attack no longer stacks with the extra attacks from fighter classes.

Haste actions also no longer benefit from multiple attacks, so a hasted 10th level fighter gets 4 attacks now instead of 6. Not just in honor mode either.

Sorcerers uber alles.

[FunkyMonkey]

Warlocks are great. How I play them is I pick 2 or 3 high-impact concentration CC spells when leveling and cast one of them once a fight. Rest of the time it's just Eldritch blast.

Also, because your spell slots level with you and come back on a short rest, spells like Invisibility and Fly, which target more characters when upcast are good picks for them. Also, your counterspell is always at the highest level, if that is what you want.

For example, Hold person is great on a Warlock because it also scales with your spell slots, adding more targets. Also Hunger of Hadar is amazing for controlling an area and with Repelling blast you can send enemies back into it.

On Fiend Warlocks you can also get Command, which is amazing. Fireball is cool, but Command is better for a Warlock, in my opinion. A non-concentration CC spell that levels with spell slots, what is not to like.

Warlocks are basically "magic archers" who use Eldritch blast instead of bows and pack a ton of spell utility to boot.

[Dr. Electrocutioner]

Who cares about short rest when you can long rest before every battle.

[FunkyMonkey]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dr. Electrocutioner:

Who cares about short rest when you can long rest before every battle.

I do.