The Wyll/Duke Ravengard choice is contrived...

[BadScientist]

They just arbitrarily force you into the decision no matter what you do. After the coronation, take a long rest and speak to Mizora in camp before going to the Iron Throne and she makes you choose between breaking Wyll's pact and learning the location of Duke Ravengard so you can rescue him. Then you can go there and break him out. If you instead forego the long rest and go straight to the Iron Throne, Duke Ravengard will already be dead in his cell even though you got there earlier that way. Then Mizora forces you to choose between breaking the pact and resurrecting the duke. It's really disappointing that they just rewrite history to force the choice on you instead of letting you actually out-smart Mizora.

[Revan619]

How is save scumming out smarting mizora?

[Mizu]

Sounds like a glitch, I didn't go there until after I told her to eat ♥♥♥♥ and break the contract and the guy was still alive.

[Rælin V]

I suspect it's a glitch as if you use the magical security cameras, the Duke appears alive in his cell (and is sometimes seen alive in his cell but standing over his own corpse), but he is dead when you get there. Yet if you confront Mizora (but don't agree to anything) the Duke can be rescued normally. So hopefully it gets patched.

[Moist Butt]

This does seem bugged. I was able to save the duke and break the contract, but mizora wants to kill the duke.

[Dr.Fumetastic]

I don't think OP's issue is that bad or contrived because Mizora obviously has the means to kill him at any time as she shows up at the "perfect" opportunity to help/hinder you if he is still alive. Her deliberately killing him beforehand because you ignored her makes complete sense. How else would she manipulate Wyll at that point?

The bigger issue I have is that if you break the pact you can still save Ravengard, because Mizora tries exactly once to kill him and then never again. Why wouldn't she try to kill him again for as long as she lives? If anything, she is contractually bound to see to Ravengards demise.

[NixAhmose]

Originally posted by Dr.Fumetastic:

I don't think OP's issue is that bad or contrived because Mizora obviously has the means to kill him at any time as she shows up at the "perfect" opportunity to help/hinder you if he is still alive. Her deliberately killing him beforehand because you ignored her makes conplete sense.

The bigger issue I have is that if you break the pact you can still save Ravengard, because Mizora tries exactly once to kill him and then never again. Why wouldn't she try to kill him again for as long as she lives? If anything, she is contractually bound to see to Ravengards demise.

Honestly they should have worded the contract it better. Like "Duke Ravengard will be destined to die before he ever sees the light of freedom ever again," that way it makes sense that by breaking the condition once she can't retry it again.

[Calculus]

Originally posted by Dr.Fumetastic:

I don't think OP's issue is that bad or contrived because Mizora obviously has the means to kill him at any time as she shows up at the "perfect" opportunity to help/hinder you if he is still alive. Her deliberately killing him beforehand because you ignored her makes complete sense. How else would she manipulate Wyll at that point?

The bigger issue I have is that if you break the pact you can still save Ravengard, because Mizora tries exactly once to kill him and then never again. Why wouldn't she try to kill him again for as long as she lives? If anything, she is contractually bound to see to Ravengards demise.

Contract is worded that she will be killed by one of his enemies, she isn't exactly his enemy, so if she kills him at this point it will be against the contract. So she just waits for another occasion... like the absolute's army that is marching towards the baldurs gate.

[victorvnv]

To be honest the only way you would find the iron throne and the Duke before talking to mizora is if you already know the location and the entire fight. Which is cheating the game in its own way so it’s ok that they cheat you back this way.

Same goes for Ansur, you can rush right away and kill him to get the sword but you will only do that if you know from previous games/spoilers how to find him and where is he located .

So you can’t expect them to write an entire new script for cheaters who already know every location and event.

[Dr.Fumetastic]

Originally posted by Calculus:

Contract is worded that she will be killed by one of his enemies, she isn't exactly his enemy, so if she kills him at this point it will be against the contract. So she just waits for another occasion... like the absolute's army that is marching towards the baldurs gate.

but she literally tries to murder him herself if you break the pact. You can argue semantics that the explosive spiders she summons aren't her, but then there is nothing stopping her from trying again in the same way.

Originally posted by NixAhmose:

Honestly they should have worded the contract it better. Like "Duke Ravengard will be destined to die before he ever sees the light of freedom ever again," that way it makes sense that by breaking the condition once she can't retry it again.

True

[Agony_Aunt]

I outsmarted Mizora. I killed both Wyll and the Duke!

[Calculus]

Originally posted by Dr.Fumetastic:

Originally posted by Calculus:

Contract is worded that she will be killed by one of his enemies, she isn't exactly his enemy, so if she kills him at this point it will be against the contract. So she just waits for another occasion... like the absolute's army that is marching towards the baldurs gate.

but she literally tries to murder him herself if you break the pact. You can argue semantics that the explosive spiders she summons aren't her, but then there is nothing stopping her from trying again in the same way.

Explosive spiders don't hurt him, they make him lose a turn, so it's harder for him to escape... that said they are pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ at their job

[BadScientist]

Originally posted by victorvnv:

To be honest the only way you would find the iron throne and the Duke before talking to mizora is if you already know the location and the entire fight. Which is cheating the game in its own way so it’s ok that they cheat you back this way.

Same goes for Ansur, you can rush right away and kill him to get the sword but you will only do that if you know from previous games/spoilers how to find him and where is he located .

So you can’t expect them to write an entire new script for cheaters who already know every location and event.

Uh, no. He's in the same place as the Gondians. I found his corpse by accident while doing that quest.

Reading up on the game isn't cheating. Nor is reloading a save to make different decisions. What a petty, childish point of view. I'm sure some people have the time to play through the entire game multiple times, but I don't, so I'm gonna do whatever I can to make sure I get the best outcome possible the first time.

[Greenegg]

I broke the pact, and then stumbled on the iron throne and still rescued the duke.
He was alive and well.

[steelcoresoviet]

I feel like it would be a reasonable median to have the duke be unconscious if you don't rest first. That would make the rescue harder without dooming him by fiat.