Dual wield versatile

[OnlyOffensive]

Can you dw versatile weapons? There is kinda low amount of weapons for STR dual wield, like fighter or ranger can right? With feat

[boredomincorporated]

If you have the feat that removes the need for weapons to be light I think you can.

[OnlyOffensive]

ok. thought so

[Gilmund]

You may do swords but no heavier weapons afaik

[Loot]

I personally like dual staves on Sorcerer. Can get +1 to attack and the +1 AC from the dual wield feat, rather than just a +1 from having 20 in a stat, with the right offhand staff.

[RhodosGuard]

Anything that does not have the Two-Handed Tag can be Dual wielded with the Dual Wielder Feat.
2 Spears, 2 Longswords, a Longsword and a Warhammer, a Spear and a Longsword etc.

But not Mauls, Greatswords, Glaives, Pikes etc.

[PoohPus]

Originally posted by Gilmund:

You may do swords but no heavier weapons afaik

Incorrect. Two-handed weapons are always excluded from dual-wielding (unless there is some magic item I don't know about that breaks that rule). That includes swords. First response to thread is correct.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Gilmund:

You may do swords but no heavier weapons afaik

The thing is, im finding alot of versatile weapons, but they worse than greatweapons, the only use i see is + shield, on the other hand dw them could be smth, not many 1H str weapons to do it otherwise.

[RhodosGuard]

Well, the question is what you are usually doing with your bonus action.
Does it lie around unused? Do you have Great Weapon Master and trigger it often enough you can do an Attack on your Bonus Action? Are you Berserker Barbarian and want to avoid the stacking -1 to Attack rolls from Frenzied Attack?

Dual Wielding should, as long as you dont need your bonus attack for anything else, have a higher average damage than a 2h weapon, unless you use GWM and consistently hit your attacks with GWM active.

It's also worth noting, that effects like Hex, Divine Favour, Hunters Mark can trigger on both attack, but features like Divine Strike (level 8 cleric) Sneak Attack (Rogue) or Colossus Slayer (Ranger) can only trigger once per round.

[Gilmund]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Originally posted by Gilmund:

You may do swords but no heavier weapons afaik

The thing is, im finding alot of versatile weapons, but they worse than greatweapons, the only use i see is + shield, on the other hand dw them could be smth, not many 1H str weapons to do it otherwise.

I've double sword Astarion and am using 1 attack + 2 bonus action attacks with the off hands

[Gilmund]

Originally posted by PoohPus:

Originally posted by Gilmund:

You may do swords but no heavier weapons afaik

Incorrect. Two-handed weapons are always excluded from dual-wielding (unless there is some magic item I don't know about that breaks that rule). That includes swords. First response to thread is correct.

By heavier weapons i meant double handed.
It's tricky cause you need to master these heavy weapons even if you're able to dual them and you canno't master all of them and knowing which good weapon you'll have before you have it. You canno't master everything.
But i also did a run without respecing if everytime i got a new weapon.

[Gilmund]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Dual Wielding should, as long as you dont need your bonus attack for anything else, have a higher average damage than a 2h weapon, unless you use GWM and consistently hit your attacks with GWM active.

Yes but missing 1 attack in dual wielding ang you're gone for the turn, doing 3 attacks with dual weapons and you still have 2 attacks doind damage when one of the three has been missed.

[Sentient_Toaster]

For what it's worth, all melee weapon attacks can use strength. Finesse allows you to use dexterity instead of strength, but does not require you do to so.

[RhodosGuard]

Originally posted by Gilmund:

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Dual Wielding should, as long as you dont need your bonus attack for anything else, have a higher average damage than a 2h weapon, unless you use GWM and consistently hit your attacks with GWM active.

Yes but missing 1 attack in dual wielding ang you're gone for the turn, doing 3 attacks with dual weapons and you still have 2 attacks doind damage when one of the three has been missed.

??? I dont know what you are trying to tell me.
Yes a Dual Wielder Martial class gets more Attacks per round, but each attack deals less damage.
That's why I specified that GWM is only better if you consistently hit your attacks with the Feat on.

Then you have things like Bersker Barbarians who get to Attack with their Bonus action anyway, who then have 3 attacks every turn too, and with GWM, if any of their Attacks hit during their action, and either crits or kills something you can attack with the bonus action without suffering the -1 to attacks from Frenzied.

[Mijj]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Can you dw versatile weapons? There is kinda low amount of weapons for STR dual wield, like fighter or ranger can right? With feat

I think you mean "Finesse" weapon and not "Versatile" weapons. You can dual wield any "Light" weapon, to DW all weapons you need the feat. And to answer the question, yes you can DW all versatile weapons, but with the feat. Also Finess weapons means you use your DEX if it's higher than you STR, but if you have a lot of STR you use it instead of DEX

[Gilmund]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Originally posted by Gilmund:

Yes but missing 1 attack in dual wielding ang you're gone for the turn, doing 3 attacks with dual weapons and you still have 2 attacks doind damage when one of the three has been missed.

??? I dont know what you are trying to tell me.
Yes a Dual Wielder Martial class gets more Attacks per round, but each attack deals less damage.
That's why I specified that GWM is only better if you consistently hit your attacks with the Feat on.

Then you have things like Bersker Barbarians who get to Attack with their Bonus action anyway, who then have 3 attacks every turn too, and with GWM, if any of their Attacks hit during their action, and either crits or kills something you can attack with the bonus action without suffering the -1 to attacks from Frenzied.

Nothing you right, just repointing out that dual wielding may do better overall considering the miss of two-hand weapons. Especially if you crit.