why tf I'm unable to kill Mol?

[.pleasures]

I hate those thief-lings kids as hell. Especially Mol, who is the epitome of evil. If only Kagha stated children as the main reason to get rid of tieflings, I would be on her side in every playthrough. There's not even a way to report their crimes to adults. I mean, why? At the same time when Mol complains to the guards that I was in the thieves' lair they immediately run to put me in jail. Even though I saved the grove from goblins, saved one of their children from Kagha, saved their another child from harpies, and so on and so forth. It's just ridiculous. And even when Thorm steals her, she ends up free without your involvement, for some inexplicable reason.

Let's assume that you simply can't kill children in this game, as in many other games. So why is it okay to kill goblin children? Moreover, the game forces you to kill them if you choose to save Halsin. They are many times less evil than Mol, which deliberately sends two other children to certain death.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Night Foxx (She/her):

But that's not the discussion. The discussion was whether these things make them "evil". Also, no, it's not really a medieval society no matter how much it resembles one on the surface.

I know, I said medieval themed. Still got those air ships from Thay floating around somewhere.

[seeker1]

Originally posted by artemisone:

The question is can you kill non-Goblin children other than Mol?

You can't, It's not like Mol has special child armor. All non-goblin children are protected, for example, Arabella and Yenna, too. Even Sticky Dondo.

It would be fun if you could give that contract to Mol for some reward, but I have never gotten around to that so I don't know if you can. The game doesn't have an explicit quest for recovering or destroying the Mol contract.

Yeah. That's false. Spoiler warning.

[from BG3.wiki]
In the House of Hope you can find Mol's Contract. When you talk to Mol about it, she says she made a deal with Raphael to escape Shadow-Cursed Lands, but does not elaborate. If you tell her you killed Raphael, she becomes angry and says that Raphael was her patron, and that you've ruined her future career. Otherwise, if you do not tell her about Raphael, she will help in the final fight with a passive buff (see Gather Your Allies).
[end]

So this is the reward you can get. Mol won't give you XP, gold, or even a discount with Sticky Dondo, BUT ... returning the contract to her (while NOT telling her you killed Raphael) gets you....

[again from "Gather your Allies"]
To recruit Mol as an ally:
In Act Three, find Mol in the Guildhall and learn about her contract with Raphael. If her contract is stolen from the House of Hope, she agrees to help in the final fight.

... this gets you (for the endgame): (and it happens to be one of the best endgame buffs you can get) ...
Fetcher's Favour: Affected entities can cast Rays of Fire, reduce all Damage Types Fire damage by 5 and gain additional 1d4 to Charisma checks and Saving Throws.

[Hermóðr]

Originally posted by Richard:

Originally posted by grandson:

You can kill goblin children but not tiefling children, is it because they are half human? Larian showing their racism. I indeed believe we should be able to kill children.

goblin are not people

Neither are tieflings

[seeker1]

Yes, but without a mod, you can recruit tieflings, or play as tieflings; but not true for goblins. Goblins are normally a monstrous race, naturally hostile (just like gnolls), unless, of course, you have means of infiltrating their camps. (Could include bringing Sazza with you.)

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Night Foxx (She/her):

But that's not the discussion. The discussion was whether these things make them "evil". Also, no, it's not really a medieval society no matter how much it resembles one on the surface.

I know, I said medieval themed. Still got those air ships from Thay floating around somewhere.

Perhaps, but I've never seen any indication of the guards killing children for pickpocketing...

[Tomas Mac Mordain]

Originally posted by Night Foxx (She/her):

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

I know, I said medieval themed. Still got those air ships from Thay floating around somewhere.

Perhaps, but I've never seen any indication of the guards killing children for pickpocketing...

I'd be OK just cutting off their hands. Seems there's a Dark Urge tendency to do that kind of stuff all the time so ... Mol defo deserves it (or her tribe of stupid guardians who raise a band of criminals and think they'll be accepted as refugees somewhere)

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by Tomas Mac Mordain:

Originally posted by Night Foxx (She/her):

Perhaps, but I've never seen any indication of the guards killing children for pickpocketing...

I'd be OK just cutting off their hands. Seems there's a Dark Urge tendency to do that kind of stuff all the time so ... Mol defo deserves it (or her tribe of stupid guardians who raise a band of criminals and think they'll be accepted as refugees somewhere)

You think a kid deserves to be mutilated for petty thievery. Oooookay then.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Night Foxx (She/her):

You think a kid deserves to be mutilated for petty thievery. Oooookay then.

Alright then, what the heck do YOU think should happen to them? Take away their toys and video games? The tieflings don't have those.

Send them to their room to think about what they've done? They're refugees, they don't have a room to be sent to.

Give them a spanking, or a slap across the face? One of the mercenaries already tried that, and the adult tieflings responded by knocking him out cold.

They're not going to learn their lesson and change their ways just because you tell them they did something bad. They need to be disciplined somehow, so that they'll learn society is not going to tolerate that kind of behavior in the future.

[Awaken]

Mol needs to be fed to the harpies. That waste of oxygen was actively trying to get your party killed for not enabling their nonsense and the entirety of the grove killed via stealing the idol so that the druids suddenly want to murder the rest of the refugees or via forcing you into killing the rest of the braindead tiefling adults in self-defense.

People in this thread screeching 'They are kids!' like that's any sort of defense.

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Night Foxx (She/her):

You think a kid deserves to be mutilated for petty thievery. Oooookay then.

Alright then, what the heck do YOU think should happen to them? Take away their toys and video games? The tieflings don't have those.

Send them to their room to think about what they've done? They're refugees, they don't have a room to be sent to.

Give them a spanking, or a slap across the face? One of the mercenaries already tried that, and the adult tieflings responded by knocking him out cold.

They're not going to learn their lesson and change their ways just because you tell them they did something bad. They need to be disciplined somehow, so that they'll learn society is not going to tolerate that kind of behavior in the future.

Oh cool, advocating full on child abuse. Sure, it's a video game and a fictional world and not a real child, but the fact you think this is a reasonable stance for a hypothetical on how to discipline CHILDREN is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrifying.

[seeker1]

Dunno, we can debate the ways in which Mol ought to be punished. Only thing I'm arguing against is that I think she shouldn't be killed.

That said, I'm not telling OP he can't download the Kagha mod and do it. He can. It's his game. He can do what he wants. I just wouldn't. All I'm saying.

(Personally, I would also find cutting her hand off a little severe. I don't know how she got her missing eye back in Act 3, but I assume the deal with Raphael was involved.)

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Night Foxx (She/her):

Oh cool, advocating full on child abuse. Sure, it's a video game and a fictional world and not a real child, but the fact you think this is a reasonable stance for a hypothetical on how to discipline CHILDREN is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrifying.

Disciplining a misbehaving child who engages in criminal activity and endangers the lives of their community = "Child Abuse."

I previously told you that they can't be grounded, and one of the adults already tried to slap some sense into the kid, only to be met with physical violence by one of the tiefling guards.

So, I ask you again, how would YOU recommend making the child see the error of their ways? Because Arabella almost died getting the idol that first time, and Mol's immediate response to you rescuing her, is suggesting that you try to steal it for her a second time!

Then there's that one kid down by the river, who would have been devoured by Harpies if we hadn't shown up to save him.

Mol isn't just risking the lives of the adults by antagonizing the druids, she's also risking the lives of the very kids she's roped into her gang. She is a threat to the community, and she needs to be punished.

[seeker1]

I don't know if BGC has the equivalent of Juvey Hall (Juvenile Detention). I kid.

I saw the prisons they have under Wyrm's Rock. I get this feeling they're not Club Fed. A few months in one could set her straight.

.... having said that, there's no option for that in the game, but since I was being asked a hypothetical.

All that said, a lot of players of this game are stealing a lot worse than she does, and effectively get away with it scot free. Plus they do literally get away with a lot of murder. Just to put everything in perspective. And many players make an alliance with Nine Fingers Keene, who it looks like through her career has done a lot worse.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by seeker1:

All that said, a lot of players of this game are stealing a lot worse than she does, and effectively get away with it scot free. Plus they do literally get away with a lot of murder. Just to put everything in perspective. And many players make an alliance with Nine Fingers Keene, who it looks like through her career has done a lot worse.

I will admit that I'm not super versed in Baldur's Gate lore, but I believe that the city is notoriously corrupt. Duke Ravenguard is pretty much the only government official in the city who is actually a decent person.

Also, this isn't the first time the Dead Three have made a play at seizing control of the city.

[DrZann]

If you do kill Mol what will happen to the body? That's a lot of good meat is all I'm saying...