BEWARE - Save the Tieflings and Wulbren before enter Shadowfen!!!!

[Praesi]

I just noticed that both Quests are failed because i entered Shadowfen before the Moonrise Towers.
All the time the Game tells me to do sidequests before mainquests and now this companion sidequest BS ruined to quests for me. Absolutly ridiculous.
DONT KILL BALTHASAR, better yet, dont even enter the Dungeon after the Devil told you to kill his enemy. Go to Moonrise Towers first.

This ship has saled for me. I am the type of player who turn everry stone before advancing and thats how i get rewarded. I will not redo many hours to avoid this.

The Game is very good, but this is a design error of epic scale.

[HouNDDoG]

Originally posted by Hawke:

I think, each companion has one or two areas focused on their personal quest (except Karlach), but only Shadowheart's quest takes place in a critical-path location, thus making it easy to mistake for a side quest and misunderstand the warning. Also, the mausoleum is geographically closer to the northern Shadow-Cursed Lands entrance than the Moonrise Tower, so one might try to explore it first.

This. Lots of people, myself included, went there as part of shadowhearts side quest. Not knowing it intersected into the main quest.

Also for the warning, 2 things:

1 - it says 'some' quests may be missed by doing this. We have no clue which ones, some don't fail here but rather continue on to Act 3, some fail here. There is no clear warning which is which.

2 - this message was also given when entering the mountain pass creche area and guess what? It was useless. There story didn't go on, quests didn't fail, literally nothing happened and you could go back just fine. So the messages are inconsistent.

[CorwynCorey]

Originally posted by Hawke:

I think, each companion has one or two areas focused on their personal quest (except Karlach), but only Shadowheart's quest takes place in a critical-path location, thus making it easy to mistake for a side quest and misunderstand the warning. Also, the mausoleum is geographically closer to the northern Shadow-Cursed Lands entrance than the Moonrise Tower, so one might try to explore it first.

They DO... but only Act endings have, so far, mentioned that it will close off some sidequests and areas... yes? Did it once already.... they really gave the examples.

Go ahead... follow Lae's sidequest... then try to go back and do the grove quests after they warned us.

He simply clicked the button the way people click "accept" on other annoying popups...
Which is how users accidentally install malware, incidentally. Users are the most unreliable part of any network.

[Finkle and Einhorn]

This thread just saved me hours and hours of playtime, thank you!

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by CorwynCorey:

They DO... but only Act endings have, so far, mentioned that it will close off some sidequests and areas... yes? Did it once already.... they really gave the examples.
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You can travel back and forth between Act 1 and 2 freely, but once you enter Act 3, that's the point of no return. You're stuck in the city for the rest of the game, so you should wrap up everything else before proceeding to Baldur's Gate.

[hannibal_pjv]

In long run. It does not matter. You get to the game end still.
In this game it is fine not to do everything. You can miss a lot and get to level 12. That is good! There are several ways the game can end and the path to the end can be different.

[hardbop]

Originally posted by hannibal_pjv:

In long run. It does not matter. You get to the game end still.
In this game it is fine not to do everything. You can miss a lot and get to level 12. That is good! There are several ways the game can end and the path to the end can be different.

Its worth saving the Tieflings if you have Wyll in your party or are a Warlock. As a reward you get a robe that is VERY, VERY useful for a Warlock and indeed Wyll wore it for the rest of the game.

So I ran into the exact problem and was really upset like the main poster. Thankfully, I keep TONS of static save points for just this reason. I did NOT enjoy having to replay a few hours of progress, but trust me -- if you are a Warlock or use Wyll often in your party -- its worth it.

[Praesi]

Originally posted by Hawke:

I think, each companion has one or two areas focused on their personal quest (except Karlach), but only Shadowheart's quest takes place in a critical-path location, thus making it easy to mistake for a side quest and misunderstand the warning. Also, the mausoleum is geographically closer to the northern Shadow-Cursed Lands entrance than the Moonrise Tower, so one might try to explore it first.

Exactly. Thank you.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by hardbop:

Its worth saving the Tieflings if you have Wyll in your party or are a Warlock. As a reward you get a robe that is VERY, VERY useful for a Warlock and indeed Wyll wore it for the rest of the game.

So I ran into the exact problem and was really upset like the main poster. Thankfully, I keep TONS of static save points for just this reason. I did NOT enjoy having to replay a few hours of progress, but trust me -- if you are a Warlock or use Wyll often in your party -- its worth it.

Is this 'robe' you get for saving the tieflings the same one you get for following orders and killing Karlach when you first meet?

[hardbop]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by hardbop:

Its worth saving the Tieflings if you have Wyll in your party or are a Warlock. As a reward you get a robe that is VERY, VERY useful for a Warlock and indeed Wyll wore it for the rest of the game.

So I ran into the exact problem and was really upset like the main poster. Thankfully, I keep TONS of static save points for just this reason. I did NOT enjoy having to replay a few hours of progress, but trust me -- if you are a Warlock or use Wyll often in your party -- its worth it.

Is this 'robe' you get for saving the tieflings the same one you get for following orders and killing Karlach when you first meet?

Not sure. Never took that route. I'd be surprised though if they gave you a robe this nice in the 1st act of the game.

[hardbop]

Originally posted by Praesi:

Originally posted by Hawke:

I think, each companion has one or two areas focused on their personal quest (except Karlach), but only Shadowheart's quest takes place in a critical-path location, thus making it easy to mistake for a side quest and misunderstand the warning. Also, the mausoleum is geographically closer to the northern Shadow-Cursed Lands entrance than the Moonrise Tower, so one might try to explore it first.

Exactly. Thank you.

YES. YES. This x3. I had Shadowheart in my party and I'm the kind of player that likes to exhaust all side quests before going to the main quest.

We approached the Mausolem and I figured it was the way to advance her quest in this chapter. The warning message I got before entering the Shadowfell I took to mean it would change plot elements related to Shadowheart. I had no inkling it would mean I couldn't do a certain part of the Moonrise towers quest.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by hardbop:

Not sure. Never took that route. I'd be surprised though if they gave you a robe this nice in the 1st act of the game.

I think it might be. I haven't done the route where you spare Karlach instead, but I've seen clips to know that Wyll is punished for his defiance by transforming into a partial devil.

If you follow orders, however, his patron gives you a new set of armor the first time you meet her.

[Praesi]

Originally posted by hardbop:

Originally posted by Praesi:

Exactly. Thank you.

YES. YES. This x3. I had Shadowheart in my party and I'm the kind of player that likes to exhaust all side quests before going to the main quest.

We approached the Mausolem and I figured it was the way to advance her quest in this chapter. The warning message I got before entering the Shadowfell I took to mean it would change plot elements related to Shadowheart. I had no inkling it would mean I couldn't do a certain part of the Moonrise towers quest.

My thoughts exactly.

[CorwynCorey]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by hardbop:

Its worth saving the Tieflings if you have Wyll in your party or are a Warlock. As a reward you get a robe that is VERY, VERY useful for a Warlock and indeed Wyll wore it for the rest of the game.

So I ran into the exact problem and was really upset like the main poster. Thankfully, I keep TONS of static save points for just this reason. I did NOT enjoy having to replay a few hours of progress, but trust me -- if you are a Warlock or use Wyll often in your party -- its worth it.

Is this 'robe' you get for saving the tieflings the same one you get for following orders and killing Karlach when you first meet?

It is called the Potent Robe. it is +1 ac, and grants a bonus damage to the caster's cantrips equal to their charisma bonus. (stacks with Antagonising blast fyi).

[Edstyles]

I think even peaking at the mountain pass now can cause tieflings to scatter and die unless dealt with leaders. to be safe dont go to those areas until u done all other stuff

[Calv]

Originally posted by hardbop:

Originally posted by Praesi:

Exactly. Thank you.

YES. YES. This x3. I had Shadowheart in my party and I'm the kind of player that likes to exhaust all side quests before going to the main quest.

We approached the Mausolem and I figured it was the way to advance her quest in this chapter. The warning message I got before entering the Shadowfell I took to mean it would change plot elements related to Shadowheart. I had no inkling it would mean I couldn't do a certain part of the Moonrise towers quest.

I did the same thing.

But the warning was clear enough that I was risking some quests failing.
So, I manually saved before entering, and then as soon as I cleared it and saw the rescue quests immediately failed, I reloaded and left it until later.

I don't get how someone can keep going for "many hours" after the shadowfell before checking.