Are Wizards that useful?

[Dark Sidious]

Hi all,
Since it was my first game in BG (but i did play the divinity games quite a lot), i tried a party with different classes, to test things out. And i have an issue with the spells-based classes.
I kinda like the fact that you can't spam spells in combat. But I struggle with the fact that you need a long rest to recharge your spellslots. Since you can miss quests with the long rests, i end up nearly never using spells (only for big battles) but doing weapon attacks instead, which make my wizard basically useless :/

[Twelves]

I currently run 2 wizards, 1 warlock and a fighter, the amount of utility and control you have over the battlefield is pretty neat.

[Strez]

Wizards have an extremely wide spell pool and can focus on certain schools to buff them. Wizards can also freely swap their learned/prepared spells when outside of combat, while Sorcs only get to learn or replace spells as they level up, and thus have a much more limited pool. Some of the Wizard subclass abilities give similar buffs to Sorcerer metamagic, but always on/passive (Evocation Wizards make their allies succeed saving throws on their AoE magic, it's like Careful Spell but with no resource cost).

Sorcs get metamagic to buff/modify spells and better multiclass options(Sorclock, Sorcadin), plus ability to act as the party face due to being a Charisma class. It's basically pure power vs versatility

[Frostfeather]

Originally posted by Ackranome:

Literally the best class in this game. 4x Wizard = best group.

4 Sorcerers is significantly better.

[BT]

No they are useless

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by night4:

4 Sorcerers is significantly better.

Sorcs cant achieve immortality like abju wizards can.

[Frostfeather]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Originally posted by night4:

4 Sorcerers is significantly better.

Sorcs cant achieve immortality like abju wizards can.

Immortality doesn't kill things. Sorcerers are better and faster at killing things so there's no need for that level of defense.

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by night4:

Immortality doesn't kill things. Sorcerers are better and faster at killing things.

You're still a full-powered wizard that has plenty of damage in their kit. Only, you're also immortal.

[Mormacil]

Originally posted by Kabreras:

Originally posted by Dark Sidious:

Hi all,
Since it was my first game in BG (but i did play the divinity games quite a lot), i tried a party with different classes, to test things out. And i have an issue with the spells-based classes.
I kinda like the fact that you can't spam spells in combat.

You don't have to, cantrips work fine for 90% of the fights

Originally posted by Dark Sidious:

But I struggle with the fact that you need a long rest to recharge your spellslots.

Great power, use it wisely, dont spam

Originally posted by Dark Sidious:

Since you can miss quests with the long rests,

Nope, you dont, sleep as much as you want

Originally posted by Dark Sidious:

i end up nearly never using spells (only for big battles) but doing weapon attacks instead, which make my wizard basically useless :/

You are a wizard Harry, use your power only when it's needed, not all around, you do magic, not fireworks

Straight up false, there is a whole slew of quests that fail if you long rest after starting them.

[Revan619]

I personally find sorcerer's to be far superior. They can't freely change spells without respecting. But can double cast buffs with meta magic and cast two high level spells in a turn giving them huge burst DPS, especially draconic with multi hit spells stacking charisma modifiers.

[Frostfeather]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Originally posted by night4:

Immortality doesn't kill things. Sorcerers are better and faster at killing things.

You're still a full-powered wizard that has plenty of damage in their kit. Only, you're also immortal.

The difference in damage output and speed is especially noticeable when you're multiplying it by 4. It's not even a contest. The defensive overkill you're talking about is just that: overkill.

[Bloodwest]

Originally posted by night4:

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

You're still a full-powered wizard that has plenty of damage in their kit. Only, you're also immortal.

The difference in damage output and speed is especially noticeable when you're multiplying it by 4. It's not even a contest. The defensive overkill you're talking about is just that: overkill, wasteful and unnecessary.

I suppose you don't really need any defense against dead enemy.

[Anaztazioch]

Originally posted by Dark Sidious:

Hi all,
Since it was my first game in BG (but i did play the divinity games quite a lot), i tried a party with different classes, to test things out. And i have an issue with the spells-based classes.
I kinda like the fact that you can't spam spells in combat. But I struggle with the fact that you need a long rest to recharge your spellslots. Since you can miss quests with the long rests, i end up nearly never using spells (only for big battles) but doing weapon attacks instead, which make my wizard basically useless :/

Im playing game on Tactical, so heres what i can share with you:

1) there arent that much quests to miss when taking a rest, in Act 1 there is like 3 in total including underdark and mountain pass.
2) On tactical you often are hit hard and must use abilities. Cleric and Druid tanks by constantly self-healing, Fighter/Barbarian/Monk also gets hit alot. If you dont use spells you will have trouble.
3) underdark has level 7 enemies and level 4-5 is common. Mountain pass has lvl 5-7 common. Those guys deal alot of damage, to the point of short resting every encounter.

[Kabreras]

Originally posted by Mad Marduk:

At one point 17% of all player deaths were from Gale. Which is kinda funny to me because his default subclass is evoker so they'd have to change it for his spells to hurt ally's.

Sculpt spell only work on evocation spells

[Kabreras]

Considering that you can swap spells anytime but in combat and that you dont have to whait for a rest, wizards are really good !

[Zoid13]

dunno. 140 hours in and havent used one yet lol