Dark Urge Monk or Dark Urge Paladin?

[Daryl]

HALP ME

[deadsanta]

Publicado originalmente por Beautiful Ham Sandwich:

Monk, for no reason other than I barely hear people talk about the class in BG3 forums.

It's a powerful class, but pretty boring because you'll never wear armor, use a bow, or wield weapons. Your decisions are pretty much down to "Am I doing a ki punch or not this turn?" You won't even be using item spells, consumables, or psionics, because you can run 22m a round and do 160 unarmed damage without haste on. You won't even bother with sneak attacks, weapon coatings, and elixirs besides hill giant strength since you don't have a weapon to coat and sneak only works with melee weapons.

[Thriller]

Publicado originalmente por Daryl:

HALP ME

Multiclass that my dude. Pally/Monk is legit top 5 meta in every DnD format. Commonly known as an "Evasion Tank"

[Furio]

Publicado originalmente por Daryl:

Publicado originalmente por orthostatic:

do monk

which subclass?

Open fist seems strong. I'm playing a level 10 monk using Hill Giant Strength elixirs each day to keep strength at 21 (so respec natural strength to 8), combined with Tavern Brawler feat. I'll punch anything to death rather fast.

The rest of what the monk can do is just spice.

[Thriller]

Publicado originalmente por deadsanta:

Publicado originalmente por Beautiful Ham Sandwich:

Monk, for no reason other than I barely hear people talk about the class in BG3 forums.

It's a powerful class, but pretty boring because you'll never wear armor, use a bow, or wield weapons. Your decisions are pretty much down to "Am I doing a ki punch or not this turn?" You won't even be using item spells, consumables, or psionics, because you can run 22m a round and do 160 unarmed damage without haste on. You won't even bother with sneak attacks, weapon coatings, and elixirs besides hill giant strength since you don't have a weapon to coat and sneak only works with melee weapons.

I think you are maybe missing a huge part of what monk can do (Or any strength based class tbh or even a dex based monk) A monk is built best as a Hal-Orc in this game for the melee crit passive. Strength is usually how you go in 5e, which means you can throw a large object (Oil Barrel/Water Barrel/Tank) then move and attack same round. Strength is often thought of as melee only in DnD...but in BG3 (or any Larian game) Strength means you can throw, a great distance. Other advantages as well ofc, but giving a mlee a massive ranged aoe, is how you make an OP AF toon. A warlock can't melee like a monk, and you essentially cast, if you can throw in Larian games. Strength is sneaky good, especially on half-orc melees.

[OnlyOffensive]

Publicado originalmente por Thriller:

Publicado originalmente por deadsanta:

It's a powerful class, but pretty boring because you'll never wear armor, use a bow, or wield weapons. Your decisions are pretty much down to "Am I doing a ki punch or not this turn?" You won't even be using item spells, consumables, or psionics, because you can run 22m a round and do 160 unarmed damage without haste on. You won't even bother with sneak attacks, weapon coatings, and elixirs besides hill giant strength since you don't have a weapon to coat and sneak only works with melee weapons.

I think you are maybe missing a huge part of what monk can do (Or any strength based class tbh or even a dex based monk) A monk is built best as a Hal-Orc in this game for the melee crit passive. Strength is usually how you go in 5e, which means you can throw a large object (Oil Barrel/Water Barrel/Tank) then move and attack same round. Strength is often thought of as melee only in DnD...but in BG3 (or any Larian game) Strength means you can throw, a great distance. Other advantages as well ofc, but giving a mlee a massive ranged aoe, is how you make an OP AF toon. A warlock can't melee like a monk, and you essentially cast, if you can throw in Larian games. Strength is sneaky good, especially on half-orc melees.

How is it "sneaky" when strenth is the only way to build monk for unarmed damage, since tavern brawler doubles your str modifier. Literally 0 point in making dex monk, maybe with weapons only

[nullpo]

Dark urge paladin for oathbreaker

[nullpo]

Publicado originalmente por ZapSnap:

Publicado originalmente por Veylox:

Dark Urge Paladin is cool for RP reason, you immediately become an oathbreaker due to the first dark urge event though. You can go with the flow if you like oathbreaker, but if you don't, it's a clunky pairing

Is this true for all Paladin subclasses?

Yep. Although some oath are easier to break. The middle subclass (forgot the name) is the easiest to break since attacking neutral parties break the oath

[jonnin]

Publicado originalmente por nullpo:

Publicado originalmente por ZapSnap:

Is this true for all Paladin subclasses?

Yep. Although some oath are easier to break. The middle subclass (forgot the name) is the easiest to break since attacking neutral parties break the oath

I think 2 of the 3 break on this, and 'neutral' is used very casually here. As in, you can't just attack your enemy either, you have to chat with them first, even if they are eating a dwarf while tormenting an animal and threatening a helpless captive.

[Dont be Silly Wrap your Willy]

Publicado originalmente por RMS_Gingermonkey:

Dark Urge Bard has been most fun for me. But Paladin could be interesting

Yeah i'm currently doing the same . Durge Dragonborn Bard.. makes 0 sense but it is fun to play so far.

[Beast of War]

Do remember that unless they patch it sometime the Oathbreaker knight is often missing from Act 3 and you cannot recall it or get it back.

When you break your vows then - which you will as the mass murderer you are as The Urge - you cannot reclass or get your oath back and will be locked in Paladin Oathbreaker penalty state , without the benefits of being a proper Oathbreaker ( for which you need the Oathbreaker knight )

[deadsanta]

Publicado originalmente por OnlyOffensive:

How is it "sneaky" when strenth is the only way to build monk for unarmed damage, since tavern brawler doubles your str modifier. Literally 0 point in making dex monk, maybe with weapons only

Yeah sneaky stealth monk, with weapons and coatings I guess, but with elixirs there's no point, since even the strength-based monk has plenty of room for dexterity to max out base AC (21 AC naked). You've got to really enjoy RPing coating your weapon in poison before every fight to play that guy. Just more inventory management IMO.

[Manimal]

want to play a paladin either devotion or vengeance as a good guy and punisher of evil . Now I one of my Durge evil playthrough will be a paladin oathbreaker for sure.

With no spoilers, Will I have a very similar experience gameplay wise with a tav good paladin and a durge oathbreaker?