So, what level is the bridge supposed to be done?

[Dagungus]

I just had karlach, while raging as a bear barb die in a single turn to 8 attacks.
I have 9 years of experience in 5e, and this is what I would call a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ encounter.
So please, educate me on how to meta this overtuned encounter.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Your suppose to talk your way out of this.
I manage to win via running away and using hit and run tatic's.
It is easy on level 5 but getting to level 5 before the bridge is hard.


It is one of those:
You are outclass fights dm use the humble the players.
Use barralmancy.

[Rabbit]

It's one of those fights that you probably shouldn't be fighting in the first place. You can come back overleveled if you want, but every thing in that scene is telling you that you do not want to engage in this fight.

[donut32]

talkin about the gith? some putz decided to give them 20 attacks per turn and all their stats are 18+

game was designed by a dope

[cfehunter]

5. If you attempt it when everybody has basic cantrips and one attack per-round then you're going to struggle without special tactics.

[Dagungus]

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

Your suppose to talk your way out of this.
I manage to win via running away and using hit and run tatic's.
It is easy on level 5 but getting to level 5 before the bridge is hard.


It is one of those:
You are outclass fights dm use the humble the players.
Use barralmancy.

"Its easy on level 5" do you want me to send you a link of a single enemy doing 78 slashing +27 psychic damage a turn not counting the fact that one of their attacks missed?" if that's easy to you, please never DM a game of Dungeons and dragons, cause that is stupid.

[Razorblade]

Level 5, at least. Or you could talk your way out of it, Invisibility your way past it, Jump + Featherfall your way past it, or take the completely unguarded route to the Mountain Pass right outside the Goblin Camp.

[Chaosolous]

I talked my way out and got a massive amount of exp.

[Ancient Toaster]

Why do people think that this fight is winnable? Even in tabletop if the DM painted the scene and described what you'd be up against no level 4 or 5 party is taking on that challenge. It's guaranteed death.

You don't fight here. Trying to is stupid and you should absolutely be punished for it.

[Leslian Lexter]

Abuse the nearby watchtower-bridge and the shove mechanic. Thats what i did.

[cfehunter]

Originally posted by ~Allie~:

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

Your suppose to talk your way out of this.
I manage to win via running away and using hit and run tatic's.
It is easy on level 5 but getting to level 5 before the bridge is hard.


It is one of those:
You are outclass fights dm use the humble the players.
Use barralmancy.

"Its easy on level 5" do you want me to send you a link of a single enemy doing 78 slashing +27 psychic damage a turn not counting the fact that one of their attacks missed?" if that's easy to you, please never DM a game of Dungeons and dragons, cause that is stupid.

Command is very helpful in this fight. I don't think they managed to get a single attack out last time I killed them. They're also a lot less dangerous if you make them drop their weapons and then steal them.

[jonnin]

Its much easier if you just shoot first. If you go talk to them, its rigged so you are fighting them on the low ground and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM can jump to the top on demand with their racial.

Start out up top with a level 5 party. Shoot focus fire the closest one in your surprise round, killing it ideally. Throw who you can off the bridge when they jump up to engage (careful, this works both ways!) and then group up on anyone still up there. Keep them busy climbing the ladders and not hurting you, taking fall damage, and generally try to have 2-3 on 1 unfair fights against them rather than try to go man-to-man with them. This is a good fight to use your spells and potions and special items like arrows or gunpowder kegs, grease bottles, etc. Its possibly the hardest fight in the first area, on par with the drow/spectator ambush or maybe if your hag fight went wrong.

I don't think its that hard to get to 5 at all. Act 1 gets you to 6 if you do most of it,,, my current play i am at 5 and have not even entered underdark and have surely missed some other things as well, still mopping up.

[Marik]

You push their leader off the cliff. Rest of the fight is trivial

[solaris32]

I had no option to talk my way out of it, what are you people talking about? I did have Lae'zel with me. But no matter the option the guy says to split my skull. The deception one I pass the skill check and he still knows Lae'zell is lying. Is it because I let her speak instead of taking over myself? I never explored that avenue. Suppose I'll have to in another playthrough. This one I'm evil so killing them all was fine anyway.

[tlenz]

As many have said, it is doable if you must. Like with most potential encounters in the game, you see them first and you can always ambush them. Remember, as difficult an encounter as it is supposed to be, folks were able to beat it with one level 4 character back in early access.

That said...

The game goes to GREAT lengths to tell you that you shouldn't fight these guys. I mean, the one dude flies in on a DRAGON for crying out loud. How much more of a hint do you need?

I think some folks are playing this like they'd play something like the Owlcat Pathfinder games. BG3 is much more of an RPG at heart. You probably shouldn't approach every NPC encounter as a murder hobo. Or at least save that as a gimmick playthough after you've already completed the game a few times.

[Stranger]

I won the fight with Lae'zel, Wyll, Shadowheart, and my main character as a rogue (arcane trickster) at level 5. Lae'zel kicked things off from dialogue, the rest of the party were on the slope coming down from the bridge. I had taken Alert as the feat on my rogue so he was top of initiative. The rest were spread out between the Giths so there was an enemy between each turn I could take.

I was already hidden so I used a potion of haste and two sneak attacks on one of the archers put it down. With him out of the way Lae'zel was next so I used her class ability evasion to give disadvantage to all incoming attacks, next was the Gith commander who popped five attacks on her, I don't recall how many hit and how many missed but she was just short of dead. Like single digits walking corpses almost dead. Then it was Wyll, between his spells (don't remember what I used) and his imp (which was invisible so I brought it into combat with the attack) another archer went down before it got its turn. Next up was the other melee Gith and which used mistwalk, a move, and then made an attack or two on Lae'zel which missed. Shadowheart was last and she ran in, got close to Lae'zel and popped her duplicity skill which would give me one more turn of disadvantaged attacks for the Giths while freeing up Lae'zel to actually attack.

The first round was the only one I was really worried about and from there it was all down hill. Lae'zel was put down but didn't die and before she did she meted out some serious damage. Shadowheart came really close but two sneak attacks per turn made this encounter brutal but blessedly brief which allowed her to scrap through it.

All of which is to say that it is totally possible to win this encounter but I won't pretend its a fair fight.

edit: I think there was one more melee dude, but kinda low level compared to the other two, but I don't think he managed to do much more than kill the imp before dying. Can't be sure though, this was a couple weeks ago and I wasn't exactly taking notes.