Charisma "face" unnecessary?

[fullerfamily]

I was led to believe that a balanced party had to have a "face", that is the person with high charisma who handles all the conversations. I have found there are plenty of other skills that can shape conversations just fine. Is a "face" unnecessary?

[Vlad Yvhv]

Savescumming is always an option. Save, get bad roll, reload save, roll/reload till you get a good roll. Save charisma for spellcasters who use that as their stat. Remember that "Face" was always the weakest of the A-Team, and did get pummeled a bit. This is what's goinna happen if you dump everything into charaisma for a "Face" character. Better to actually respec your companions (and your avatar if need be) to be more balanced in therms of stats, and use the +2 and +1 things to boost the 2 more important stats they'll need. Most of the time, your Avatar will be doing the talking. And there are a lot of Wisdom and Intelligence checks in conversations, too. You'll want to make sure characters have good perception, too, so they aren't just walking into traps all the time.

[hannibal_pjv]

Face should be multiclassing skill monkey... And charisma is still usefull when you intimidate or otherwice try to speak your way trough!

[Hobocop]

Don't need one with Guidance, Enhance Ability and Inspiration rerolls, tbh.

Sure, it'll be easier, but there's ingame ways to work around it.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Don't need one with Guidance, Enhance Ability and Inspiration rerolls, tbh.

Sure, it'll be easier, but there's ingame ways to work around it.

Why use Enhance Ability when you can just use Friends? Save the spell slot.

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

It's just another option. There are many. Intimidation, wisdom, etc. You can also just forego dialogue characters entirely too if you wish. Unless you're meta-gaming, just do what you find enjoyable/interesting, I say.

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Don't need one with Guidance, Enhance Ability and Inspiration rerolls, tbh.

Sure, it'll be easier, but there's ingame ways to work around it.

Why use Enhance Ability when you can just use Friends? Save the spell slot.

Because Friends makes people upset even if the convo turns out well, and Friends only works on Charisma checks. Enhance Ability can be used for everything.

[GorishiDan]

its helpful but not necessary. if you're one of those who are used to (and like) main character does all type of games like DA:I or ME then having your main do all is possible but hard. you'd have to sacrifice a few things and also be a bard which in it self is also a sacrifice. unless ofc, you dwelve into modding, then it all becomes possible with little to no sacrifice at all.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Originally posted by Toblm:

Why use Enhance Ability when you can just use Friends? Save the spell slot.

Because Friends makes people upset even if the convo turns out well, and Friends only works on Charisma checks. Enhance Ability can be used for everything.

In a discussion of CHA checks... any other check is superfluous.

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Because Friends makes people upset even if the convo turns out well, and Friends only works on Charisma checks. Enhance Ability can be used for everything.

In a discussion of CHA checks... any other check is superfluous.

Not at all. Checks other than Charisma checks come up all the time in dialogues, and there will also be times where a single target effect like Friends or Charm Person will be insufficient. Enhance Ability is just more reliable because it's a self-buff.

[DDkiki]

Yep, charisma-face is pretty much overrated, there are a lot of ways to talk without charisma skills. 90% of time all my party was 8CHa lol.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Originally posted by Toblm:

In a discussion of CHA checks... any other check is superfluous.

Not at all. Checks other than Charisma checks come up all the time in dialogues, and there will also be times where a single target effect like Friends or Charm Person will be insufficient. Enhance Ability is just more reliable because it's a self-buff.

I have never ran into discussion where advantage is worth a lvl 2 spell slot.
And I have ran into the 30 DC persuasion checks.

[angelsenvy228]

you get a lot more gold/cheaper prices if you initiate trade with the vendors with the highest charisma person. you don't need it for checks but if you dont want to pay hundreds of gold for every crappy green item it helps

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With a 4 person party limit you can just go ahead and throw out traditional notions of party balance. If you have someone with a Friends spell, or guidence, it'll give you a decent shot of winging it. If it fails... well abject violence makes a very compelling closing statement.

[Cooperal]

I noticed that your buy/sell value is slightly influenced by whoever speaks with the trader. Even if you swap characters in the trade screen, but you will still need gold on the character you changed to on that screen to buy anything.

It might also be affected by the NPCs attitude toward them but I am a good boy who hasn't played with that aspect of the game so cannot confirm if it is like DOS2 in that regard.

[angelsenvy228]

Originally posted by Cooperal:

I noticed that your buy/sell value is slightly influenced by whoever speaks with the trader. Even if you swap characters in the trade screen, but you will still need gold on the character you changed to on that screen to buy anything.

It might also be affected by the NPCs attitude toward them but I am a good boy who hasn't played with that aspect of the game so cannot confirm if it is like DOS2 in that regard.

you dont need the gold on that character, if you dont have enough just click the balance trade button twice and it will take from your other characters (assuming they arent controlled by another player in multi)