Githyanki Patrol: Screw This!

[GrandMajora]

The Githyanki Patrol has always been one of the most difficult fights in early access from day one, but with Patch 9, it seems to have been given an even more absurd buff with the addition of 5th level abilities.

As it currently stands now, I think this fight is meant to be one of those 'scripted loss' moments that DM's put into their games to give the players very clear warning that they are not supposed to go this way yet.

The fact that the surface route to Moonrise Towers is not in EA is the only conceivable reason I can think of for why this fight is so ungodly difficult. Because if we're supposed to actually beat these things on Full Release in order to avoid having to go through the Underdark for the 100th time, then that is total BS on Larian's part.

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I'm not a hard core gamer, who gets a dopamine boost from challenging myself against impossible odds. I play games for fun and story, first and foremost. And walking into this fight to have all the Githyanki roll high on initiative, get multiple attacks, and Sareth can force me to drop my weapon is the exact opposite of fun.

I want those Githyanki weapons and armor, but as it now stands, my party gets decimated even at level 4. I'm not touching this fight again until full release, when I can set the difficulty down to easy / story mode.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:

Do you actually bother to bring your cleric in general?

Yes. Unfortunately, the origin cleric is Shadowheart, who is a Trickery cleric, and has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Strength, despite the fact that most Cleric weapons are strength based.


During my most recent attempt at this, my MC was a level 4 Human Berserker, wearing the +1 medium armor from the druid grove, wielding Zhalk's flaming greatsword, and they had 18 Strength, 16 Dexterity, 16 Constitution, 8 Intelligence (boosted to 17 from the crown), 8 Wisdom, 8 Charisma.

Basically, his only purpose in the party was to kill any enemy stupid enough to get within striking distance.

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:

Do you actually bother to bring your cleric in general?

Yes. Unfortunately, the origin cleric is Shadowheart, who is a Trickery cleric, and has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Strength, despite the fact that most Cleric weapons are strength based.


During my most recent attempt at this, my MC was a level 4 Human Berserker, wearing the +1 medium armor from the druid grove, wielding Zhalk's flaming greatsword, and they had 18 Strength, 16 Dexterity, 16 Constitution, 8 Intelligence (boosted to 17 from the crown), 8 Wisdom, 8 Charisma.

Basically, his only purpose in the party was to kill any enemy stupid enough to get within striking distance.

LMAO You are using her primarily as Melee and are getting mad about "most cleric weapons are str based" are you actually being serious right now? Nobody in their right mind uses an early game Cleric as a front line fighter.

[Cirrus]

Answer is difficulty: Story mode.

If I recall correctly your plan was to use this? It is now very clear that you need to use this.

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Originally posted by Cirrus:

Answer is difficulty: Story mode.

If I recall correctly your plan was to use this? It is now very clear that you need to use this.

God I hope achievements get disabled for Story Mode.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:

LMAO You are using her primarily as Melee and are getting mad about "most cleric weapons are str based" are you actually being serious right now? Nobody in their right mind uses an early game Cleric as a front line fighter.

I think you need to stop making assumptions about how I'm playing the game. All I said was she had ♥♥♥♥♥♥ strength, despite her weapons being strength focused.

Of course I'm trying to use her as a spell caster first and foremost. Unfortunately, spells tend to miss a lot, and there is a limited amount of times she can cast those spells before needing a long rest.

As a trickery cleric, her spells are primarily focused on stealth tactics. Which isn't really a viable option anymore since the patrol was buffed. I need a Life Cleric who can give my party some healing that's actually worth a damn, or a Light Cleric who has some actually decent offensive spells.

I was informed that there was a Scroll of Fireball located nearby, but when I went to dig it up, all I found was a scroll of some kind of feign death spell... which I'm almost certain is going to be totally useless against the Githyanki.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:

God I hope achievements get disabled for Story Mode.

Who actually cares about achievements anyways?

[Oubley]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

As it currently stands now, I think this fight is meant to be one of those 'scripted loss' moments that DM's put into their games to give the players very clear warning that they are not supposed to go this way yet.

I've complained about their level design for this for close to 3 years now. The fight is easy once you know how to play, the two problems are it's asanine that it can be essentially you're first fight, and it actually doesn't fit into the story/plot they are trying to tell, in the manner they currently "telling" it.

There really isn't a reason for your githy friend to be pushing you to get to that location. She knows what type of "cleansing" is in store.

Larian seems to think it's fine so.....

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:

LMAO You are using her primarily as Melee and are getting mad about "most cleric weapons are str based" are you actually being serious right now? Nobody in their right mind uses an early game Cleric as a front line fighter.

I think you need to stop making assumptions about how I'm playing the game. All I said was she had ♥♥♥♥♥♥ strength, despite her weapons being strength focused.

Of course I'm trying to use her as a spell caster first and foremost. Unfortunately, spells tend to miss a lot, and there is a limited amount of times she can cast those spells before needing a long rest.

As a trickery cleric, her spells are primarily focused on stealth tactics. Which isn't really a viable option anymore since the patrol was buffed. I need a Life Cleric who can give my party some healing that's actually worth a damn, or a Light Cleric who has some actually decent offensive spells.

I was informed that there was a Scroll of Fireball located nearby, but when I went to dig it up, all I found was a scroll of some kind of feign death spell... which I'm almost certain is going to be totally useless against the Githyanki.

LOL So because she comes starting with a Mace she must be Strength Focused?

"I neEd HeAlInG DuRR" no, you need to give her a ranged weapon worth a damn and have her buff your main fighting characters and use them to help get Astarion into a good position to take advantage of his sneak attack damage (even giving him arrows that can inflict status effects is a good idea as well)

Actually use the games mechanics, not nerf an encounter because you can't play.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:

LMAO You are using her primarily as Melee and are getting mad about "most cleric weapons are str based" are you actually being serious right now? Nobody in their right mind uses an early game Cleric as a front line fighter.

I think you need to stop making assumptions about how I'm playing the game. All I said was she had ♥♥♥♥♥♥ strength, despite her weapons being strength focused.

Then give her a crossbow, a dagger or a finesse weapon. Problem solved.

Of course I'm trying to use her as a spell caster first and foremost. Unfortunately, spells tend to miss a lot, and there is a limited amount of times she can cast those spells before needing a long rest.

Invoke Duplicity on the battlefield, she'll be able to cast spells from the illusion as if she was standing there, and any allies right next to it will get a buff and enemies a debufff because of the nature of the illusion, use her spells to buff front-line fighters, heal from range, and take potshots with a crossbow with special ammo.

As a trickery cleric, her spells are primarily focused on stealth tactics. Which isn't really a viable option anymore since the patrol was buffed. I need a Life Cleric who can give my party some healing that's actually worth a damn, or a Light Cleric who has some actually decent offensive spells.

Trickery Clerics are also great at charming enemies, and duplicity is always useful even with the githyanki patrol being buffed.

I was informed that there was a Scroll of Fireball located nearby, but when I went to dig it up, all I found was a scroll of some kind of feign death spell... which I'm almost certain is going to be totally useless against the Githyanki.

I think that scroll changes but is always a scroll.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Oubley:

There really isn't a reason for your githy friend to be pushing you to get to that location. She knows what type of "cleansing" is in store.

Larian seems to think it's fine so.....

I don't think she does. If she knew that the cleansing involved killing our characters, then she wouldn't have tried to resist the patrol and would have instead simply presented her neck to the chopping block.

The way she describes the purification process to Wyll, makes it sound like the plan is to fry the tadpole with a surge of electricity being shot through our brains. Not necessarily lethal, but far from being a pleasant experience.

Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:

LOL So because she comes starting with a Mace she must be Strength Focused?

"I neEd HeAlInG DuRR" no, you need to give her a ranged weapon worth a damn and have her buff your main fighting characters and use them to help get Astarion into a good position to take advantage of his sneak attack damage (even giving him arrows that can inflict status effects is a good idea as well)

Actually use the games mechanics, not nerf an encounter because you can't play.

Okay, repeatedly starting your comments with 'LOL' and chastising me for not being a master strategist who finds enjoyment out of conquering absurd challenges is making me increasingly less interested in what you have to say on the matter.

[dolby]

it's a easy fight all of them are so far. It's unlikely to change in full game. Ai is super dumb they are not adequate to pose any serios(team death)threat to good player that hows the systems. Even if done at unintended levels,nder leveled.

[dolby]

Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Yes. Unfortunately, the origin cleric is Shadowheart, who is a Trickery cleric, and has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Strength, despite the fact that most Cleric weapons are strength based.


During my most recent attempt at this, my MC was a level 4 Human Berserker, wearing the +1 medium armor from the druid grove, wielding Zhalk's flaming greatsword, and they had 18 Strength, 16 Dexterity, 16 Constitution, 8 Intelligence (boosted to 17 from the crown), 8 Wisdom, 8 Charisma.

Basically, his only purpose in the party was to kill any enemy stupid enough to get within striking distance.

LMAO You are using her primarily as Melee and are getting mad about "most cleric weapons are str based" are you actually being serious right now? Nobody in their right mind uses an early game Cleric as a front line fighter.

shadowheart does fine as front line heh and it will only get better with full game... Scrub teaching scrubs hehe that gonna end well.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

I remember that one.
I thought it was overtuned.
They buffed it even more?
Damm.
I hope i be level 5 when i encounter them.
Seems like i need a double fireball for this.

[dolby]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

I think that scroll changes but is always a scroll.

yes they are random...

[Brian Sirith]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Okay, repeatedly starting your comments with 'LOL' and chastising me for not being a master strategist who finds enjoyment out of conquering absurd challenges is making me increasingly less interested in what you have to say on the matter.

Yup. That one stopped being interesting at their first or second git-gud post.

Otherwise, interesting topic. I had to use a lot of meta knowledge in that battle which I find spoils immersion. *sits back again*