Weakened Attributes from the zaith'isk.

[Boomstar]

Is there a way to get rid of this? I never noticed this happened till many, many hours later. Is this just something permanent? I'm just never going to use the character again if so which is a shame.

[['w']]

Well now she is as smart and wise as a ghoul

[paladin181]

Originally posted by Obi-wan Jabroni:

The DC checks if you do it are insanely different. I think its a DC 12, 15, 18 as opposed to DC 30, 30, 30 with Lae zel

This makes sense. You're only doing it to save your life. She sees it as thre culmination of her entire existence.

[Lawhorn]

Imagine... you're told more than once that trying to extract the parasite will literally kill you. You're told your parasite is special, again, more than once. Why're you shocked when one method fails to extract it - and... if you SUCCESSFULLY complete this section, you actually get no ill effects whatsoever, and, in fact, you get a BENEFICIAL feature which gives you the ability to use any Illithid powers as a bonus action.

Lae'zel, on the other hand... well. Good luck xD

[Rumparum]

Originally posted by Lawhorn:

Imagine... you're told more than once that trying to extract the parasite will literally kill you. You're told your parasite is special, again, more than once. Why're you shocked when one method fails to extract it - and... if you SUCCESSFULLY complete this section, you actually get no ill effects whatsoever, and, in fact, you get a BENEFICIAL feature which gives you the ability to use any Illithid powers as a bonus action.

Lae'zel, on the other hand... well. Good luck xD

You all keep thinking in categories of real life death and what it means. I try to think like the characters I'm playing with. Warnings about death? Ok - if me or anyone in my party dies... it wouldn't be the first time. We have like 10 revivify scrolls and a cleric too. Why would I be worried about death? Death isn't a problem - tadpole is. I can die 10 times over if there's a chance that procedure will remove the tadpole. Why would I worry about death loosing a single scroll when there is even slimmest chance of solving much more serious problem.

Even if the game would warn me about "Permamently loosing 6 ability points" - I'd probably still continue knowing that's what Greater Restoration is for. Word "Permament" in DnD never meant "uncurable", only that duration is permament until restored/dispelled, sometimes even rest cures some "permament" conditions.

[HereIsPlenty]

House rules, I am afraid. The DM just leaned over and made some adjustments on your character sheet. Live with it.

[everybe2]

Originally posted by Lawhorn:

Imagine... you're told more than once that trying to extract the parasite will literally kill you. You're told your parasite is special, again, more than once. Why're you shocked when one method fails to extract it - and... if you SUCCESSFULLY complete this section, you actually get no ill effects whatsoever, and, in fact, you get a BENEFICIAL feature which gives you the ability to use any Illithid powers as a bonus action.

Lae'zel, on the other hand... well. Good luck xD

Noob players.

[Gondawn]

So many people justify this decision it's crazy. You lose SIX ability points, it's a crazy debuff. Basically makes Laezel a worse choice than any other character. -1 to constitution checks, less hp and -1 to wisdom checks is HUGE

[RamzaBehoulve]

Originally posted by Chad Badshirt:

Originally posted by Overeagerdragon:

I must admit I think it's a ballsy move by Larian and I applaud them for it... gives me hope for abilities like level and/or energy drain to be included into the game after all.

As for the question at hand... if Larian stuck to the DnD rules with THIS then you're ♥♥♥♥ out of luck.... in fairness; it's not like they warned you about this right? Nor that there was any foreshadowing? Or any precedent set for it in the past that removing this parasite might have some serious lasting consequences?

You made your choice; now live with the consequences.... and a -2 to various stats isn't actually bricking a character... it's a huge deal, don't get me wrong, but it's not actually bricking a character... you just mad because the game actually threw the very thing you wanted (actions have consequences) back in your face in a non-pleasing matter...

Sigh, this nonsense argument again. Refer back to my first reply here:

Giving IRREVERSIBLE and UNFORSEEABLE consequences to GAME MECHANICS based off STORY ELEMENTS is objectively bad game design.

They can do it because there is something called reloading in this game if you don't accept it.

You think that's the worse you've seen? Wait till your entire party is dead, with no way to avoid it, just by choosing a dialogue option.

[vidzero]

The problem I have with this game design choice is that the stat debuffs are so well hidden.

First in her dump stats which are hard to notice, and then the actual debuffs are at the bottom of her character sheet which are REALLY hard to notice.

I DON'T have a problem with game choices having harsh consequences, what I do have a problem with is HIDING those consequences from the player, removing his choice of how to enjoy the game.

I didn't notice this happened to me until TWO DAYS OF PLAYING later, when I took Lae'Zel out for another spin, leveled her up and noticed that her hit points didn't match the leveling screen.

When I saw what happened finally and realized it was too late to go back and change this because I had gone through half the underdark already by then I was mortified and furious at the same time.

When you decide to give the player a PERMANENT debuff to stats TELL THE PLAYER THEY GOT A PERMANENT DEBUFF TO STATS, please for the love of all that is holy DON'T HIDE IT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CHARACTER SHEET.

[Rumparum]

Oh and one more thing:

Originally posted by paladin181:

Originally posted by Obi-wan Jabroni:

The DC checks if you do it are insanely different. I think its a DC 12, 15, 18 as opposed to DC 30, 30, 30 with Lae zel

This makes sense. You're only doing it to save your life. She sees it as thre culmination of her entire existence.

No this makes no sense - DC doesn't change in such scope based on how you feel (certainly not how DM feels).

Imagine two characters in traditional DnD session get let's say climbing check.
Player1: Oh crap I only rolled 4, my strength is 10. Did I pass?
DM: Yes - you barelly get to the top.
Player2: Wohoo a 18! Also I have 16 strength.
DM: Sorry you slip and fall forever breaking your legs and for some mysterious reason healing spells don't work on this specific wound ever.

That's what Larian did there.

[Snowman29]

Well, Larian must realise this is a D-head move, when the DC for those checks are much lower for the main, than the DC 30 for companions.
The -2 to con is annoying, but ill survive it. I can understand the frustration if someone put a companion in the machine with int/Wis/cha a main stat.

[Orre]

Please report back here if you find a mod that will at least let the greater restoration fix this. Or just a mod that removes it. *beep* this debuff in the *beep*.

[Fíro]

Super weak debuff and kids crying sad

[MetalHev]

I got a crazy-ass buff instead for resisting the machine :D

[jcw163]

People just don't know what the R or the P stand for these days. Brains rotted by years of MMO design and bad action games with skill trees they don't need