This B.S. game design - burning building on Act 1

[Hari]

Has anyone saved the people in the burning building ON THEIR FIRST PLAYTHROUGH without reading a walkthrough or someone else's hints? I doubt it. This is the height of Save Scumming Game Design.

Can't help the people helping at the main door. No, gotta go to a side door of a different section of the building. Gotta smash the barrel blocking that path. Gotta figure out the possibility of moving crates to align with a hole in the ceiling. All this subversion of normal reactions and motivations to find the most indirect convoluted solution possible is just draining all possible role-playing.

[RhodosGuard]

Originally posted by Eckoh:

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

I have dont both ways in EA, and both worked. You succeed the STR Check, you need to hurry after the soldiers, because the fire spreads, free the person, leave as fast as possible.
Of course you are gonna have a problem if you stop halfway through to browse the underwear drawers in the other rooms.
(even though there is a pretty cool maul hidden in that building, that is nice to use on Eagle Barbarians)

Really?? Where abouts in the building is it... I never really rooted though it

When you go up the stairs the very first room has a chest in the corner that should contain the Maul, at least in EA that's where it was.

https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Hamarhraft
The biggest benefit of it is, that it works with the Jumping attack you get from Eagle Rage.

[fenrik07]

I thought I could rest (had very low hp to be getting burned) before saving people but the game is smart enough to have the people die when you do that. Oh well, I see it as something to do in the next playthrough, really am not feeling like safe scumming for this. (Had a bunch of dialogue in the camp I'd have to go through again) Next playthrough definitely adding the create water spell to my repertoire.

[King Brick]

Man imagine save scumming on a game that has literal infinite alternatives even when things don't (or sometimes literally can't) go your way. Imagine complaining that sometimes an event is difficult, you aren't equipped to handle it, and you fail. Unless your party is dead, just continue the game. You never know what doors open when others get closed in this game. And if you keep getting party wiped, well, address that issue specifically. Lower the difficulty or put together a better party.

Save scumming is only for losers, or legit accidents (i.e. trying to click a moving target to talk to them and instead accidentally steal or attack something or along those kinds of lines). Imagine being some kind of loser who expect every single thing they attempt to go their way no matter what, while not having any of the skill or knowledge to back it up.

Some runs I saved the child from the harpies, easily, because the harpies' concentration rolls failed. However, some runs I never even go over there. Some runs, no matter how many times I smack the harpies, they keep succeeding on the concentration checks and the child dies. It's not worth save scumming over.

[Wuffle]

sure, go in the house on the left, up the stairs, break the wood blocking the room with a ranged weapon or spell so you dont get blown back, go in with your highest STR guy and help the guy out, takes literally 5 seconds.

[bvbv_tae]

no guide need, i try jump around the balcony and see building on the other side. problem solved

[Sephiroth]

Fire went out when I arrived and everyone survived.

Thats what happens when you this cool.

[Rowsdower]

Not sure what game you were playing you can legit just break the front door down lol

[TREXINATUX]

Go up the ladder on the small connected building, jump on it's roof. Jump down through crack in roof. Cross veranda. Unlock door. escort out lady. smass crap in her way at door.

[Tiviani]

Absolutely did on my first go with it.

Found the breakable wall with the dude under the pillar, got him out first then went around to the main door to help there.

Just run around the fire. :v

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Eckoh:

Umm you can help them at the main door... its just a STR check...

I think they're referring to finding the people trapped under rubble or in collapsed rooms.

I know I certainly didn't find them all the first few tries.

[SolviteSekai]

Originally posted by chaos4u:

that building is a pain. your characters running through fire. useless water barrels , water spells, so yeah its a bad design . However after a few play through you can discover a way to actually save the people inside. its kinda silly . but works probably will still need heals less you meticulously place your group through out the building ..

"After a few playthroughs"

a playthrough of this game is 70-100 hours. Most people arent going to do a few playthroughs.

[Grahdens]

It's dnd, random ♥♥♥♥. You may or MAY NOT do things right the first or third time through.
You can't save everyone, you can't be everyone's friend. It happens man

[Eckoh]

Originally posted by SolviteSekai:

Originally posted by chaos4u:

that building is a pain. your characters running through fire. useless water barrels , water spells, so yeah its a bad design . However after a few play through you can discover a way to actually save the people inside. its kinda silly . but works probably will still need heals less you meticulously place your group through out the building ..

"After a few playthroughs"

a playthrough of this game is 70-100 hours. Most people arent going to do a few playthroughs.

You dont grasp DnD players. I had 100 hours in just EA and did not find everything

[Alistair]

I just broke the front door with a strength check and then broke the door upstairs with a normal attack.

[pascal.difolco]

Originally posted by Hari:

Has anyone saved the people in the burning building ON THEIR FIRST PLAYTHROUGH without reading a walkthrough or someone else's hints? I doubt it. This is the height of Save Scumming Game Design.

Can't help the people helping at the main door. No, gotta go to a side door of a different section of the building. Gotta smash the barrel blocking that path. Gotta figure out the possibility of moving crates to align with a hole in the ceiling. All this subversion of normal reactions and motivations to find the most indirect convoluted solution possible is just draining all possible role-playing.

All the game is designed like that, you'll lose most of your first encounters because you have to use some tricks you only know after meeting them
Typical Larian PoS errm DoS design, and I hate it more and more