Assassin Needs Total Rework!

[GrandMajora]

Just looked up this subclass and... wow, it sucks. I mean, like... holy crap this subclass is going to be next to useless in BG3.

As an Assassin, you get advantage when attacking any enemy who has not acted in combat yet, and... that's it. That is your only class ability until level 13 (which is not obtainable in BG3).

At level 13, you get the ability to set up a false identity for yourself, which takes 7 days and 25 GP to do so.

After that, you don't get another ability until level 17, where you can double the damage you inflict with a surprise attack if they fail to make a save.

If I had any plans to multiclass into Assassin, I would only take 3 levels in Rogue for the advantage on my attack rolls, then invest the remaining 9 levels into something else.

[Foolswalkin]

The autocrits don't impress?

http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/rogue:assassin

That's why it's a bananas MC with gloomstalker, extra attack T1 and autocrits.

[droggen]

You forgot all the stuff you can unlock with the tad poles you can put in your brain, That game play mechanic alone will change up quite a lot of the classes and how they can be played.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

The autocrits don't impress?

http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/rogue:assassin

That's why it's a bananas MC with gloomstalker, extra attack T1 and autocrits.

Yes, the auto crits are good, but that's still your only ability you get until 13, which again is not available in BG3.

Once you hit level 3 as an Asssassin, that's it. You've peaked as far as your class abilities are concerned.

[Rusted Metal]

well they already reworked monk they'll probable do it for all the classed that fall behind in terms of abilities

[Foolswalkin]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

The autocrits don't impress?

http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/rogue:assassin

That's why it's a bananas MC with gloomstalker, extra attack T1 and autocrits.

Yes, the auto crits are good, but that's still your only ability you get until 13, which again is not available in BG3.

Once you hit level 3 as an Asssassin, that's it. You've peaked as far as your class abilities are concerned.

What source are you looking at? Infiltration expertise is level 9, Impostor is level 13. I'm assuming Larian will make alternatives to these because I don't know how they would implement them as written.

Also, that's it for *subclass* abilities, not class abilities. Rogue still gives a ton of good stuff. More sneak attack dice, Uncanny Dodge, Evasion...

[seandeven]

Base class of Rogues get the goodies.
Sneak attack dice keeps advancing damage every 2nd lvl level.
Uncanny Dodge, Cunning Action, Evasion.....
The Rogue subclasses are less varied than the other classes.

Any Larianisms are to be seen, and I'm curious.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

What source are you looking at? Infiltration expertise is level 9, Impostor is level 13. I'm assuming Larian will make alternatives to these because I don't know how they would implement them as written.

Also, that's it for *subclass* abilities, not class abilities. Rogue still gives a ton of good stuff. More sneak attack dice, Uncanny Dodge, Evasion...

Oh, I missed the part about the false identity being level 9. Still, it seems like a useless ability. Unless it functions as a constant Disguise Self effect. Which only Drow and presumably Duergar will ever need to use.

http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/rogue:assassin

[Foolswalkin]

I’ve heard disguise self lets you get in on other race’s unique dialogue options. Seems like something that could yield dividends if you knew who to be when talking to a given character.

[NixAhmose]

Chances are that assassin is going to get a total rework similar to how barbarian's berserker subclass got some major changes to it. If I had to guess they'll probably get some mechanic to either reenter stealth to retrigger their sneak attack crits or instant kill unaware opponents in stealth.

[.Master Jiren, The Strongest]

Originally posted by droggen:

You forgot all the stuff you can unlock with the tad poles you can put in your brain, That game play mechanic alone will change up quite a lot of the classes and how they can be played.

if i were a gamblin man.
so, unearthed arcana has been trying to do psychic subclasses for years. and i mean years. but it always got scrapped. overtime they have managed to get some psychic themed subclasses out there, particularly after scrapping the mystic class altogether before it was ever released.

So if I were a bettin man. i'd imagine the powers from the tadpoles are probably not entirely unique, but rather, a sort of implementation of subclass features that never made it out of UA, or, maybe a little of both.

but i cant imagine the system is going to be that deep if they expect us to collect tadpoles and willingly put them in our heads when the entire plot of the game is "remove them from your head". doesnt make any sense.

[Astral Projection]

Larian is overhauling all classes thankfully because D&D 5E classes, as written, are kinda boring for a video game.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Maronchan:

Hide my Drow face? Nope. Whoever doesn't like it can talk to my sword.

Your sword is gonna have to clear up it's schedule then, because the devs already confirmed years ago that once you get to Baldur's Gate, there will be times when Drow are attacked on sight just because of their race.

I love that Larian decided to respect the lore and implement the fantasy racism into the game, instead of hand waving it off so that players don't feel discriminated against. <3

[Wirewing]

Originally posted by Maronchan:

Originally posted by Astral Projection:

Larian is overhauling all classes thankfully because D&D 5E classes, as written, are kinda boring for a video game.

The whole 5e is horrible. Give me back 3.5e.

Did it go away? They make ttrpg games based on 3.5 still. Pretty big deal ones. You got options.

[Indure]

This is a rogue subclass issue not really an assassin issue.