Is there any practical reason to take Eldritch Knight / Arcane Trickster as a subclass?

[Quadsword]

Seems like all you're doing is making yourself... not necessarily the worst, but definitely the most mediocre of both worlds. Especially in the case of Rogues - the extra bonus action granted by Thief is just too good to pass up.

I like playing battlemage type characters, but that doesn't really seem viable long term.

[Harukage]

Also afaik Larian still had not given ATs mage hand its full utility for some reason. I hope it will get fixed on release.

[Ronin Gamer]

Well those two sub classes take that less for damaging spells and more for support/utility type spells. Something like Misty Step on a 2hander fighter can get you some damn nice results. a rogue able to apply something akin to blur or go invisible in combat to get you into position for sneak attacks can be useful as well.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Hexblade > Eldritch Knight

[Gaius]

Originally posted by Mijj:

Now that we know multiclassing is a thing in the game what is the point of these subclasses? I do not know very well the 5edition, if someone can enlight me? Why would I pick up Eldritch knight instead of doing warrior/wizard?

I believe Eldricht Knight is a good multiclass for palading, so you get more spell slots to rutn into smites.

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Gaius:

Originally posted by Mijj:

Now that we know multiclassing is a thing in the game what is the point of these subclasses? I do not know very well the 5edition, if someone can enlight me? Why would I pick up Eldritch knight instead of doing warrior/wizard?

I believe Eldricht Knight is a good multiclass for palading, so you get more spell slots to rutn into smites.

Nah. You're better off with any of the Charisma casters than going fighter for EK. Too many overlapping features and not nearly enough spell slots to make up for it.

[Rinny]

Originally posted by Gaius:

Originally posted by Mijj:

Now that we know multiclassing is a thing in the game what is the point of these subclasses? I do not know very well the 5edition, if someone can enlight me? Why would I pick up Eldritch knight instead of doing warrior/wizard?

I believe Eldricht Knight is a good multiclass for palading, so you get more spell slots to rutn into smites.

You'd want to multiclass into bard or sorc for 3x the spell slots of an eldritch knight lmao
EK is horrible to multi into

[Ronin Gamer]

Originally posted by Rinny:

Originally posted by Gaius:

I believe Eldricht Knight is a good multiclass for palading, so you get more spell slots to rutn into smites.

You'd want to multiclass into bard or sorc for 3x the spell slots of an eldritch knight lmao
EK is horrible to multi into

Plus, about the only main thing you get with multi with a fighter from paladin is the minor health restore and the extra action, otherwise paladin has most everything else fighter has.

[Yojo0o]

Eldritch Knight performs well in a clear archetype of character: They're a fully-scaled Fighter who can defensively buff themselves out of the Wizard spell list. They're not meant to be powerful spellcasters, but what they do, they do well.

Arcane Tricksters are a bit less defined, but still viable. They perform as fully-scaling rogues, while adding a fair amount of magical utility and versatility not usually available to the class.

Neither are exactly my favorite to play, but both have a role to play. Particularly in BG3, where we have a firm party size limit. There's added value to fit more role coverage within only four characters, and if you can't make room for a wizard, an Arcane Trickster cover some of those duties.

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by Gaius:

Originally posted by Mijj:

Now that we know multiclassing is a thing in the game what is the point of these subclasses? I do not know very well the 5edition, if someone can enlight me? Why would I pick up Eldritch knight instead of doing warrior/wizard?

I believe Eldricht Knight is a good multiclass for palading, so you get more spell slots to rutn into smites.

Certainly not. Paladins are half-casters, EKs are third-casters. If you want a paladin with more slots, you'll want to multi with sorcerer, warlock, or even bard.

[lejes]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Hexblade > Eldritch Knight

Hexblade is OP and broken.

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by lejes:

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Hexblade > Eldritch Knight

Hexblade is OP and broken.

Hexblade is excessively frontloaded as a multiclass dip option, but is totally normal as a single-class character.

[Keagian]

Eldritch Knight shines more when your up against casters as they generally use their spell slots to shield against spells instead of using it as an offensive option. Something that a normal fighter would struggle with if they get focused down and won't thin the herd on their turn.

Arcane Trickster's generally use their spells to help with control for when their are multiple strong enemies you wanna keep out of the fight. Their spells aren't that strong since they would have to dip into Int so its usually better to have them be the one's applying control while your actual casters nuke everyone.

[GrandMajora]

Eldritch Knight with Shocking Grasp can stop the enemy from making attacks of opportunity. Good for helping your less durable allies flee to safety, or slip past enemy lines.

Arcane Trickster can also use magic to enhance the rogue's capacity for stealth. Such as creating a fog cloud to obscure the enemy's line of sight, or Mage Hand to move an object without having to be near it.

[Indure]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Eldritch Knight with Shocking Grasp can stop the enemy from making attacks of opportunity. Good for helping your less durable allies flee to safety, or slip past enemy lines.

To be fair, a high half elf Fighter could do this just as well.

[Gaius]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Originally posted by Gaius:

I believe Eldricht Knight is a good multiclass for palading, so you get more spell slots to rutn into smites.

Nah. You're better off with any of the Charisma casters than going fighter for EK. Too many overlapping features and not nearly enough spell slots to make up for it.

I never played one, heard about in in some youtube channel, probably the dungeon dudes (but I'm not really sure if it was there). The idea is just a 3 lv dip into warrior (because, of course, pally already have the extra attack), so it's just 1 lv more than the obvious 2 lvs for second wind and action surge.

Frankly I'd just grab 2 lvs probably - or none at all if the, but hey, it's not TERRIBLE if you think about it as 1 lv for 2 lv 1 slots and some kinda useful defensive spells that can be turned into damage if you don't need them before rest. Personally I think battlemaster manouvres are better, but this is a more defensive option that doesn't fall too behind because of the extra smite slots.