demon and devil lore

[cire87]

Anyone know what started the blood war between devils and demons and what the current state of that war is ? Ive tried looking it up online but everything seems like a mess .

[Hex]

Originally posted by cire87:

Originally posted by Hex:

Not really. That would defeat the purpose of punishing the souls sent there. It's essentially a penal army.

im surprise he seems pretty chill about his realm being invaded

Because it's always being invaded, since the dawn of creation and it will be invaded until creation ends.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by cire87:

i forgot whos the top dog in the demons side but if he got involved im sure he would really ♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ up

That would be Demogorgon, the two headed tentacle baboon. He's currently revered as the most powerful of all demons.

Though officially speaking, demons have no legitimately recognized hierarchy. They are the physical embodiment of Chaotic Evil, and as such, their leaders only maintain their positions for as long as they have the ability to defend them.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Mama Chaos and Pale Night eclipse Demodorkon by several orders of magnitude.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Mama Chaos and Pale Night eclipse Demodorkon by several orders of magnitude.

Pale Night is an Obyrith, and I'm not sure who the hell 'mama chaos' is referring to?

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Queen_of_Chaos

As one of the oldest of the obyrith lords, the Queen of Chaos was said to have created Demogorgon as the first of all tanar'ri, then discarded him when he grew too unruly. The Queen was the lover of Miska the Wolf-Spider, and was the mistress of the spyder-fiends. She was once allied with Bwimb.

The Queen of Chaos had many enemies, including Obox-ob, whom she dethroned, and the Wind Dukes of Aaqa.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

• Glasya (Princess of Hell)
• Graz'zt (Prince of Pleasure)
• Mephistopheles (Creator of Hellfire)

[Ghost]

Avernus (the first layer of hell) was originally a paradise meant to tempt mortals, then the demons got in through the River Styx and it became the new battlefield for the Blood War.

Asmodeus very rarely gets involved because it helps keep him in power.
Tiamat is hiding/trapped there, and depending on player choices may in fact get involved and take over, but nothing canon.

The gods and other Celestials generally don't get involved because it's evil fighting evil, Asmodeus won the legal case, and without the Devils the Demons would overrun everything.

The angel Zariel didn't like this, got involved and it went very badly for her. She is still currently an Archdevil and in charge as of BG3. The previous ruler, Bel, is presumably either dead or still pissed.

[cire87]

as a player do u think we would be visiting hell again ?

[cire87]

its a very interesting back drop while we are on the ship

[cire87]

Originally posted by Ghost:

Avernus (the first layer of hell) was originally a paradise meant to tempt mortals, then the demons got in through the River Styx and it became the new battlefield for the Blood War.

Asmodeus very rarely gets involved because it helps keep him in power.
Tiamat is hiding/trapped there, and depending on player choices may in fact get involved and take over, but nothing canon.

The gods and other Celestials generally don't get involved because it's evil fighting evil, Asmodeus won the legal case, and without the Devils the Demons would overrun everything.

The angel Zariel didn't like this, got involved and it went very badly for her. She is still currently an Archdevil and in charge as of BG3. The previous ruler, Bel, is presumably either dead or still pissed.

this is the first hearing it was a paradise originally

[cire87]

i was told it was always a ♥♥♥♥ hole

[Ghost]

Originally posted by cire87:

this is the first hearing it was a paradise originally

Originally posted by cire87:

i was told it was always a ♥♥♥♥ hole

The hells in general, yeah. Avernus specifically, not always but definitely now.
"Everyone's unhappy, everything's awful"

"Before the Blood War reduced it to a blasted wasteland, Avernus was a honey trap created by Asmodeus, a paradise of infinite delights designed to lure and enrapture mortals. Fragments of this lost paradise still plunge from Avernus's sky as burning meteors, and the land is dotted with the ruins of palaces and idyllic gardens that were obscenely beautiful in eons past."