Werewolves

[Traveler]

Do you guys think we'll be able to become werewolves? We already have a vampire companion so I'm assuming we'll be able to become a vampire some way, but curious about the possibility of werewolves.

[skullymex]

Origineel geplaatst door Blackdragon:

Origineel geplaatst door 高天原:

Vampires in D&D are made by actually killing someone by draining them of their blood.

Master Vampires like Cazador lead entire flocks of Vampire Spawn-like Astarion- and-if memory serves- need to be killed by one of their own spawn for said spawn to become a Master Vampire themselves.

Half-Vampires on the other hand can result from a pregnant mother being attacked by a fullblood.

There's also Dhampirs but those are a bit different from other half-vampires if I remember correctly.

Astarion is none of those things. He is a Vampire Spawn, which is a lesser form of vampire that can't create vampires itself (the bite will kill, but will not turn victim into a vampire). Actually, in D&D 5.0 - bastardised version of true D&D - even full vampires cannot create vampires, only spawn. And yes, this makes zero sense since it doesn't explain how vampires reproduce and goes against vampire lore.

In real D&D (read: D&D 3.5) vampires created vampires through the bite, and could control a certain number of scions, which in turn could create new vampires, and so on. Thus, an Evil Cleric controlling a vampire could eventually have a free undead army at his disposal. He'd have to slaughter a few towns of NPCs first, of course, and fend off waves of vampire hunters and inquisitors.

Of course, indirectly controlling a horde of sentient undead eager to throw off the shackles became a challenge in itself. Let's just say, the better option was to become Undead yourself on your own terms, rather than wait for one of your vampires to "turn" you...

Two corrections there:
One, a Spawn's bite is not deadly.
Two, a vampire creates another vampire by letting his Spawn drink his blood.

[cire87]

i imagine were forms and vampiric stuff being a possibility , if we mess with the tadpole enough maybe become a mind flayer at some point

[Blackdragon]

Origineel geplaatst door skullymex:

One, a Spawn's bite is not deadly.

"The target dies if this effect reduces its hit point maximum to 0."
Looks deadly enough to me.

Origineel geplaatst door skullymex:

Two, a vampire creates another vampire by letting his Spawn drink his blood.

Yeah, but that frees the spawn, making the procedure useless (or even dangerous) for the master vampire. In D&D 3.5, all creatures of 5+ HD slain by the vampire's drain rose as full vampires under his command, and could create more vampires, thus circumventing the limit of enslaved vampires, much like the medieval Sovereign/Vassal relationship (vassal of my vassal is not my vassal, but still subject to my indirect command).

You can't have this in the bastardised/castrated version of D&D that is 5.0.

[Dagna]

I hope so, that way we can wait for you to turn then all gamers around the world.... OUT TO GET YOU!!!!!
No more you, only us now.
Amen.

[skullymex]

Origineel geplaatst door Blackdragon:

Origineel geplaatst door skullymex:

One, a Spawn's bite is not deadly.

"The target dies if this effect reduces its hit point maximum to 0."
Looks deadly enough to me.

Origineel geplaatst door skullymex:

Two, a vampire creates another vampire by letting his Spawn drink his blood.

Yeah, but that frees the spawn, making the procedure useless (or even dangerous) for the master vampire. In D&D 3.5, all creatures of 5+ HD slain by the vampire's drain rose as full vampires under his command, and could create more vampires, thus circumventing the limit of enslaved vampires, much like the medieval Sovereign/Vassal relationship (vassal of my vassal is not my vassal, but still subject to my indirect command).

You can't have this in the bastardised/castrated version of D&D that is 5.0.

Oh lmao I see you're just straight up lying about stuff because you have beef with fifth edition. Carry on then.

[BigAlzBub]

Apparently there is still a yet to be announce origin character. It is possible that this character could be a werewolf. It would make the some sense, since Werewolves are typical extremely evil and bloodthirsty, and the Tadpole may well allow them to rein in these impulses and play nice.

[GrandMajora]

Origineel geplaatst door Blackdragon:

Why can't we just have these options open for the custom player character?

What makes you think we won't? The recent news upload seemed to imply that we could make our own custom vampire spawn with the choice of wording that it used.

Being an undead was something specifically tied to one of the Origin characters in DoS 2, yet Larian not only gave players the option of making a custom undead, but even created undead versions of all the playable races.

Using this as a basis, I don't think it would be unreasonable for Larian to give players the same kind of freedom here. We just wouldn't have a fleshed out backstory or quest chain associated with it.

[GrandMajora]

Origineel geplaatst door skullymex:

Two, a vampire creates another vampire by letting his Spawn drink his blood.

I'm still hoping that Astarion's personal quest chain leads to him having the opportunity to forcefully drink his master's blood and become a true vampire.

[skullymex]

Origineel geplaatst door GrandMajora:

Origineel geplaatst door skullymex:

Two, a vampire creates another vampire by letting his Spawn drink his blood.

I'm still hoping that Astarion's personal quest chain leads to him having the opportunity to forcefully drink his master's blood and become a true vampire.

I'm also very much looking forward to that. I wonder if we'll get the chance to cure him, and would be interested to see what he does with that. He's also mentioned that he wouldn't mind remaining a Spawn as long as he's free of Cazador. I hope we'll get many options to explore!

[GrandMajora]

Origineel geplaatst door skullymex:

I'm also very much looking forward to that. I wonder if we'll get the chance to cure him, and would be interested to see what he does with that. He's also mentioned that he wouldn't mind remaining a Spawn as long as he's free of Cazador. I hope we'll get many options to explore!

The only thing that can cure undeath would be a Wish spell I think?

Undead aren't 'killed' when they drop to 0 hit points, they're destroyed. You can't raise them twice, or resurrect them without their souls.

Or at least, that's how it's supposed to work under normal circumstances.

[Dremall]

Origineel geplaatst door Blackdragon:

Origineel geplaatst door GrandMajora:

We know that the last origin character is going to be a werewolf, and seems like she's going to be a halfling.

My sides...
So to play a vampire (spawn), we need to play as... well, Astarion.
And to play a werewolf, we need to play as... halfling female?

Why can't we just have these options open for the custom player character? Why must they be gated behind these... unorthodox origin characters?

Also serious question: is a halfling werewolf the size of a puppy dog? Sounds more cute than terrifying...

Have you ever seen a freaked out chihuahua? That's what I think of when I hear halfling werewolf. *shudders* I'll stick with the mindflayers before dealing with that abomination against nature.

Still could be Larian stealing a page from CR as they have a gnome werewolf.

[skullymex]

Origineel geplaatst door GrandMajora:

The only thing that can cure undeath would be a Wish spell I think?

Undead aren't 'killed' when they drop to 0 hit points, they're destroyed. You can't raise them twice, or resurrect them without their souls.

Or at least, that's how it's supposed to work under normal circumstances.

I think he might still qualify for True Resurrection? He mentioned he's been dead 200 years so it's dicey. Either way, I'm sure they can come up with something if they want to. I'd just be interested to see what he does with it tbh

[GrandMajora]

Origineel geplaatst door skullymex:

I think he might still qualify for True Resurrection? He mentioned he's been dead 200 years so it's dicey. Either way, I'm sure they can come up with something if they want to. I'd just be interested to see what he does with it tbh

True Resurrection only needs a tiny piece of the user's body to reconstruct them. Even a chipped skull fragment could work. However, that's only part of the issue; the other part is that the soul would need to be both able and willing to return to the body.

As a vampire spawn, Astarion has no soul. Even if he did, he's been dead for 2 centuries, and so whatever afterlife he was ultimately consigned to, he's probably undergone the process of transforming into a planar creature by now.

[Hobocop]

Origineel geplaatst door Dremall:

Have you ever seen a freaked out chihuahua? That's what I think of when I hear halfling werewolf. *shudders* I'll stick with the mindflayers before dealing with that abomination against nature.

Still could be Larian stealing a page from CR as they have a gnome werewolf.

Also, honey badgers.

[skullymex]

Origineel geplaatst door GrandMajora:

Origineel geplaatst door skullymex:

I think he might still qualify for True Resurrection? He mentioned he's been dead 200 years so it's dicey. Either way, I'm sure they can come up with something if they want to. I'd just be interested to see what he does with it tbh

True Resurrection only needs a tiny piece of the user's body to reconstruct them. Even a chipped skull fragment could work. However, that's only part of the issue; the other part is that the soul would need to be both able and willing to return to the body.

As a vampire spawn, Astarion has no soul. Even if he did, he's been dead for 2 centuries, and so whatever afterlife he was ultimately consigned to, he's probably undergone the process of transforming into a planar creature by now.

I'm not that familiar with spell mechanics tbh, I just think it'd be a fun story element. I didn't know about the soul part, do you know where I could read up on that?