Why Shar was hated?

[ioci]

It took me some time to accept that the devils were more dangerous than Mind Frayers, but I still couldn't understand why Shar was so hated. I searched on internet and read some wiki article about Shar which mentioned some wars between gods but isn't war between gods a normal thing in fantasy? People already saw me and Lae'zel, 2 badass githyanki war machine walking around and only 3 or 4 tiefling reacted with fear or hate, but Shar worshiper, why they been so disliked? Do they do human sacrifice? And shouldn't warlocks been feared or hated as well? Besides, Shadowheart been wearing that strange style of armor all the time, shouldn't people be suspicious about her been a Shar worshiper already? There are plenty of scholar NPCs in chapter 1 afterall

[ioci]

Originally posted by Ronin Gamer:

Originally posted by ioci:

Thank you guys for answering my question. The more I read the information you guys provide, the more I doubt that maybe Shar and Selune were actually one goddess, so she indeed deserves all those negative tags for she faked the existence of Selune tricking people in believing it and worshiping it, then tricks the Selune to worship Shar instead, and when tricking these Shar and Selune worshiiper was not enough fun for her, she created Mystra and then destroyed Mystra so she can enjoy more fighting between worshipers. All well planned and work as planned.

I'm pretty sure the part at the start where they were one being is in fact true, think of them as the opposites of a personality, which can also be showed through Selune being about light and Shar being about darkness.

Well, moonlight xD So, is there any sun god or day god exist in dnd lore? Praise the sun

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by ioci:

Originally posted by Ronin Gamer:

I'm pretty sure the part at the start where they were one being is in fact true, think of them as the opposites of a personality, which can also be showed through Selune being about light and Shar being about darkness.

Well, moonlight xD So, is there any sun god or day god exist in dnd lore? Praise the sun

Lathander is the Morning Lord.

[Ronin Gamer]

Originally posted by ioci:

Originally posted by Ronin Gamer:

I'm pretty sure the part at the start where they were one being is in fact true, think of them as the opposites of a personality, which can also be showed through Selune being about light and Shar being about darkness.

Well, moonlight xD So, is there any sun god or day god exist in dnd lore? Praise the sun

Moonlight is the light I speak of, it lights the darkness, Selune is the light the guides those that travel through darkness and provides them guidance when they need it. Shar IS the darkness and attempts to mislead them or hide their destination or objective from them. There's likely more to their personalities than that simple example, but it's the basis of what they are I think.

[Harukage]

Originally posted by Trap Queen 85:

The misperception of darkness I can see because for a lot of people darkness equates to the unknown which is scary for them. But in my mind evil is evil.

Well, there are also different kinds of evil in DnD. For example there is a blue dragon Olothontor in Waterdeep, who is considered a friend of Waterdeep and Harpers. And he is lawfull evil. Yes he usualy helps in exchange for music, so it is mostly egoistical reasons. But is he objective evil?
I can remember many such examples.

[Trap Queen 85]

Originally posted by Harukage:

Originally posted by Trap Queen 85:

The misperception of darkness I can see because for a lot of people darkness equates to the unknown which is scary for them. But in my mind evil is evil.

Well, there are also different kinds of evil in DnD. For example there is a blue dragon Olothontor in Waterdeep, who is considered a friend of Waterdeep and Harpers. And he is lawfull evil. Yes he usualy helps in exchange for music, so it is mostly egoistical reasons. But is he objective evil?
I can remember many such examples.

But Lawful evil isn't a level of evil it's still evil it just so happens that evil being is more structured.

[Trap Queen 85]

Originally posted by ioci:

Originally posted by Vixzian:

I think it would depend on the geographic location.... Netheril isn't far from Baldur's Gate as an example and Sharran worship is the defacto religion in Netheril plus a larger city like Baldur's is probably pretty diverse particularly since it's one of the largest port cities as well.

Is this Netheril in the same plane with BG? Or were they like in different continent or something? Thought the DnD lore was only about one rather tight continent in each plane that people who populates in each plane could effectively reach each other in culture and economy wise.

Netheril is in the same plane with BG yes. In fact they are both located on the northwestern part of Fae'run. Netheril was once comprised of floating cities that fell during a cataclysm involving Mystara and Netherese mages.

[Trap Queen 85]

Originally posted by ioci:

Originally posted by Pan Darius Kairos:

Hello Shadowheart!

I believe this too. Kinda make me think Shar was just a goddess of harsh joke and irony. But then if Shar clerics were regularly doing so, wouldn't people just doubt every shar worshiper they saw to be a potential Selune worshiper?

I believe the answer to this is more because she lied or concealed the truth rather than him being upset because of her god. If anything Gale would be the least likely to care about Shadowheart being a Shar worshiper since he himself is from Netheril and Shar religion is the major religion there.

[seandeven]

Originally posted by Trap Queen 85:

Originally posted by ioci:

I believe this too. Kinda make me think Shar was just a goddess of harsh joke and irony. But then if Shar clerics were regularly doing so, wouldn't people just doubt every shar worshiper they saw to be a potential Selune worshiper?

I believe the answer to this is more because she lied or concealed the truth rather than him being upset because of her god. If anything Gale would be the least likely to care about Shadowheart being a Shar worshiper since he himself is from Netheril and Shar religion is the major religion there.

Gale is from Waterdeep,I thought. Gale is cursed for using netherese magic from what I gathered in the story.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by seandeven:

Gale is from Waterdeep,I thought. Gale is cursed for using netherese magic from what I gathered in the story.

He thought he could win back Mystra's affections if he retrieved Karsus' spell book, which contained the spell used to usurp one of her previous incarnations. The plan went awry, and Gale somehow absorbed the book into his own body. Now he needs a regular supply of extremely powerful magic to keep himself from exploding.

At least, that's the story as we currently understand it from Gale's perspective.

[seandeven]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by seandeven:

Gale is from Waterdeep,I thought. Gale is cursed for using netherese magic from what I gathered in the story.

He thought he could win back Mystra's affections if he retrieved Karsus' spell book, which contained the spell used to usurp one of her previous incarnations. The plan went awry, and Gale somehow absorbed the book into his own body. Now he needs a regular supply of extremely powerful magic to keep himself from exploding.

At least, that's the story as we currently understand it from Gale's perspective.

Yes the curse was Karsus' book absorption. Turning Gale into a bomb needing magic items to satiate his appetite (He's lying about how it happened imho)
I could have sworn Gale metioned Waterdeep is where he came from or studied..... So, waterdeep was more my assumption.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by seandeven:

Yes the curse was Karsus' book absorption. Turning Gale into a bomb needing magic items to satiate his appetite (He's lying about how it happened imho)

Of course he's lying. How the hell did he just happen to uncover the location of the most powerful wizard in all of mortal history, and obtain their personal spell book?

[Trap Queen 85]

Originally posted by seandeven:

Originally posted by Trap Queen 85:

I believe the answer to this is more because she lied or concealed the truth rather than him being upset because of her god. If anything Gale would be the least likely to care about Shadowheart being a Shar worshiper since he himself is from Netheril and Shar religion is the major religion there.

Gale is from Waterdeep,I thought. Gale is cursed for using netherese magic from what I gathered in the story.

Yes I believe you are correct. I think he mentioned that he studied the magic for the purpose of getting close to Mystra. But yes again his story is pretty sus.

[Lamiosa]

The real question is: Why should someone follow Shar, who really knows who she is? The end of existence would also mean the end of the followers. So it must be someone not knowing, or someone who is so desperate, that he wants the whole universe stop to exist.

[Trap Queen 85]

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

The real question is: Why should someone follow Shar, who really knows who she is? The end of existence would also mean the end of the followers. So it must be someone not knowing, or someone who is so desperate, that he wants the whole universe stop to exist.

Nah it's not that deep in terms of the followers way of thinking they aren't all conspirators of a grand plan. They are more superficial in their reasonings. They want things like to be able to forget or they see the light as overbearing and too intrusive where the darkness hides all. Feeling required by society to have hope and seeing the light at the end of the tunnel while having to endure the pain and loss and disappointment that comes with it is restrictive where not having to feel the need to live up to such ideals is freedom. The freedom to act without judgement and hide from the oppressive big brother like optics of society. That's what it's all about.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

The real question is: Why should someone follow Shar, who really knows who she is? The end of existence would also mean the end of the followers. So it must be someone not knowing, or someone who is so desperate, that he wants the whole universe stop to exist.

Like with Lolth, the implication is that her followers are being manipulated - they certainly don't have the metaknowledge we do as players.

Also, there may be some existential nihilists among the upper echelons.