Spoiler - What are those Illithid Dreams?

[Alex_x86]

So it looks like something is communicating with our character through those dreams and I have a feeling that this is a bad news. Those 0 checks on illithid powers make me think that later in the game we are going to be punished for that.

Is it a timer before our character is going to get consumed?
Is there going to be some sort of alignment system "corrupt vs pure" character?
And what is that communicating with us? Absolute? Something else? (I doubt it is a "just a tadpole")

Also since if we see quite a few dreams we now have instead of illithid option we now have "True Sole" and I don't remember throwing a dice on that option. Anyone have any ideas, some stuff that got datamined? Just curios.

[WeenerTuck813]

Originally posted by Pumis:

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Unless you have the good fortune of being an Ulitharid, being a rogue mind flayer is extremely forbidden among their society. This is because they have a prophecy stating that some day, an illithid will emerge who fully retains the memories and personality of its host. This mind flayer will then go on to destroy the rest of their kind, so the elder brains keep their colonies under ruthless surveillance. If any mind flayer shows signs of deviancy, or too much independence, they are killed right there on the spot.

The reason why Ulitharids get a pass, is because they're the ones who eventually turn into new Elder Brains.

I didn't know about said prophecy. Interesting... In fact this might be the plot for this game. Since there were lot of symbolic hints about prophecy happening in the intro. Question is... will the player be considered as the one or the one who gave player the corrupted tadpole?

I was under the impression the dead Ilithid on the ship prior to the Gith attack were from the imps and devils fighting them during the prolog?

[Harukage]

Should i also mention that Ioulaum as an elder brain lich has a number of undead Ilithid servants from his forner colony? *cought* dry myndflayer. C'mon guys.

[WeenerTuck813]

Possibly.
I still think that all plays into my theory as the Elder Brain agent acting

[God King 069]

Originally posted by Pumis:

Originally posted by WeenerTuck813:

I was under the impression the dead Ilithid on the ship prior to the Gith attack were from the imps and devils fighting them during the prolog?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWHEw36gTwU

Intro starts with symbolic carvings about one mindflayer standing above others. Seems to be that he is being worshipped and behind him there is elder brain.
Then we see him implanting tadpoles on everyone. One thing to note... He looks bit dry for mindflayer. Then he leaves the tadpole room and you can already see dead bodies.

After that he teleports to Baldur's gate and keeps kidnapping more people until gith patrol arrives.

Wouldn't this lead one to believe that the Mindflayer that is orchestrating everything killed off the other ones? So has he gone rogue and betrayed the others or something likewise nefarious?

[Runic Tunic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVcqWVEOxXQ

I found this the other day and thought of this forum. Obviously just theories but I thought it was an interesting watch. Definitely seems plausible and helps tie so many factors together.

EDIT: Obviously spoilers. Possibly more so than what's in the forum already since it covers multiple sources, not just BG3.

EDIT 2: Just to give a TL;DR for the vid without spoiling too much, it uses quotes from WotC and Larian, info from datamining, events that were never fully followed up on in nearly all previous events surrounding Baldur's Gate, and the Dead Three from across games, TTRPG campaigns, and info from several editions to explain this theory.

[God King 069]

Originally posted by Pumis:

Originally posted by Harukage:

Should i also mention that Ioulaum as an elder brain lich has a number of undead Ilithid servants from his forner colony? *cought* dry myndflayer. C'mon guys.

Originally posted by WeenerTuck813:

Possibly.
I still think that all plays into my theory as the Elder Brain agent acting

In my eyes it seems more like that agent of Loulaum inflintrated mindflayership from another hive and had used magic on the tadpoles. So basically fight between "evil and good mindflayers". While the original elder brain is trying to get rid of magic barrier protecting the player by slowly extending his influence on the player. Most likely this is the hive of the "absolute".

Very interesting. I like this theory.

[Harukage]

Well Ioulaum is lawfull neutral. So i would not call his agent "good mind flayer".

[God King 069]

One strange thing though in the cinematic is that the Mindflayer was just selecting people at random to place in the pods. Doesn't this take away from the whole aspect of us being 'special' or specifically chosen?

[God King 069]

Originally posted by Pumis:

Originally posted by 8BallQue:

One strange thing though in the cinematic is that the Mindflayer was just selecting people at random to place in the pods. Doesn't this take away from the whole aspect of us being 'special' or specifically chosen?

We were before them though... It just could be that he tried to get attention of the gith to the ship in order to orchestrate escape from other mindflayers. Or trying to gather big army of mindflayers who still retain their old personality. I don't think we will ever figure out full plot based on things that were shown. Just pure speculation.

Yeah that's plausible enough.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by 8BallQue:

One strange thing though in the cinematic is that the Mindflayer was just selecting people at random to place in the pods. Doesn't this take away from the whole aspect of us being 'special' or specifically chosen?

Correct, we're not supposed to be a chosen one this time around. We are but one of countless people who have been abducted and implanted with one of these modified tadpoles. If our nautiloid hadn't been attacked, we would most likely have been shipped off to become just another one of the many slaves / converts under the influence of this 'Absolute' they keep going on about.

And considering that these converts seem to be totally unaware they were implanted with a tadpole, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that maybe siding with the Absolute is not quite in our best interest.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Originally posted by Pumis:

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Correct, we're not supposed to be a chosen one this time around. We are but one of countless people who have been abducted and implanted with one of these modified tadpoles. If our nautiloid hadn't been attacked, we would most likely have been shipped off to become just another one of the many slaves / converts under the influence of this 'Absolute' they keep going on about.

And considering that these converts seem to be totally unaware they were implanted with a tadpole, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that maybe siding with the Absolute is not quite in our best interest.

But whatabout rest of the party being connected to what main character does? It seems that they are all unwillingly linked to him and the changes he has will make them change as well.

Finally..something interesting to discuss. So not only that but also it doesn't make sense that it would be random and yet somehow you come out with a Vampire, someone bound to a Demon, A worshiper of Shar, a Mage with ties to a god, and a Githyanki. If that's random then the world at large would have to be filled with hero/other world type beings on every street.

[WeenerTuck813]

Originally posted by Vixzian:

Originally posted by Pumis:

But whatabout rest of the party being connected to what main character does? It seems that they are all unwillingly linked to him and the changes he has will make them change as well.

Finally..something interesting to discuss. So not only that but also it doesn't make sense that it would be random and yet somehow you come out with a Vampire, someone bound to a Demon, A worshiper of Shar, a Mage with ties to a god, and a Githyanki. If that's random then the world at large would have to be filled with hero/other world type beings on every street.

Right.

So, all on the same ship…

A vampire who’s at odds with his powerful Ancient Vampire Lord

A Githyanki who’s at odds with the other Gith you encounter who claim to be serving Vlaakath

A Cleric of Shar who’s memory is wiped clean

A powerful Wizard who’s at odds with Mystra, his former lover

A warlock who’s at odds with a powerful Patron…


Are we Noticing a pattern here? All on the same ship. All the only survivors of a giant ship crash.

[WeenerTuck813]

Certainly everyone has a story and a past - but you don’t think that’s awful coincidental that your party is comprised of modestly powerful arms of supremely powerful beings all at odds with their previous masters?

[everybe2]

Originally posted by WeenerTuck813:

Certainly everyone has a story and a past - but you don’t think that’s awful coincidental that your party is comprised of modestly powerful arms of supremely powerful beings all at odds with their previous masters?

They are not supremely powerful.

[Harukage]

Originally posted by everybe2:

They are not supremely powerful.

Well, Mystra is. Though i am more keen on Gale lying rather then the whole lover and curse thing. That is not how Mystra do things at al.