Controversial Topic: Why Gnomes?

[Daryl]

Not trying to crap on anyone in their roleplay endeavors
since i enjoy Roleplay quite a bit.

just wondering if any people here can tell me why do people roleplay as Gnomes?
like... Why Gnomes?

since my mates are all usually every other race, i have never met anyone who enjoys roleplaying as Gnomes or even roleplayed as one...

so im curious to know your input, if you are a gnome player
why Gnomes?

[Akim]

Gnomes, Dorfs, Halflings. I never play a race where I have to look up to everyone, and my eyes are on the height of everyone's butt.

[Icedfate]

gnomes are taller than halflings, so yeah, they don't have to look at the halfling butts.. .unless they want to. .

and looking at the PHB now, i guess i was mistaken about tieflings, they do seem to be half devil, but the book isn't clesr on that. it says "infernal" and they have a racial ability called "hellish rebuke
but i digressed, this is about gnomes.

the PHB says gnomes are jovial and friendly and love having fun and good food and drinks and making jokes and puns and playing pranks
and they are super curious , always looking for the next exciting thing as to never be bored and just enjoying life, every moment of it.

[GrandMajora]

Icedfate eredeti hozzászólása:

um. . google told me assimar were in the game. . .
it also says something called a "mephistopholes" is in the game as well.

i thought like "wtf is that? is it like the opposite of the assimar? half devil as opposed to half angel? because Mephistopholes is a devil?"
but then somewhere else says it a tiefling subrace. i never heard of that subrace, but then again, i was unaware that there even were tiefling subraces. i guess that's from one of the newer books? i haven't played since Volo's guide came out.
. tieflings are half demon and D&D makes a distinction between devil and demons. devils come from the 9 hecks and are ruled by asmodeus and baalzebul, while demons come from the abyss and have such fiends as Demogorgon, not The Demogorgon(of Stranger Things fame), just Demogorgon.
unless maybe he's a celebrity now because of thr tv show, like Cher or something.

Ah, then allow me to clarify. Tieflings in 5th edition got a bit of a tweaking. Where as in previous editions, you could be descended from nearly any kind of Fiend, those of 5th edition are presumed to all hail from Devil stock.

The 'subraces' of Tieflings in 5th edition are associated with each of the nine arch devils who rule over Hell. Mephistopheles is the ruler of the 8th layer, and Zariel is the ruler of the 1st. With Asmodeus, of course, ruling over the 9th.

As of this current moment, only Zariel, Mephistopheles and Asmodeus Tieflings are playable, but we can expect to see the others added in by full release.

[Icedfate]

yeah, i was mkstaken, i thought tieflings were half demon, but i guess they are half devil.
but then again, the PHB doesn't seem to make that distinction. they say "infernal"

[PocketYoda]

Daryl eredeti hozzászólása:

KeepCleaving eredeti hozzászólása:

No one even knows wtf a Skaven is, how are you going to roleplay it?

1. Gnomes are popular in pop culture and fantasy themes
2. Gnome's culture, stereotypes and mannerisms have a lot of references to pull from.
3. They are different from humans enough to make them interesting and not boring.
4. How do you not know wtf a gnome is? Mow some lawns son!

you made a huge mistake saying "No one even knows wtf a skaven is"

Its a stolen race of many added to games workshop Warhammer...

[Icedfate]

I avoid everything "Warhammer" on general principle, but even i know that a skaven is a "rat person". although, that's all i know about them.

I do know that humans are likely going to relate better to gnome than they would to a rat person.

dnd does have wererats and years ago, i played 2e and my character got infected with lycanthropy from a wererat and i was "Supposed" to start RPing as one, but then then group dissolved. . .

[PocketYoda]

GrandMajora eredeti hozzászólása:

If I ever play a Gnome in BG3, they will be a Monk, and I'm going to push for raising his STRENGTH up to 20 as quickly as possible. Just for the comedic value of having a 3 foot tall, 40 lbs kung fu master beating people to death with his bare hands.

They make really good Druids as well. I'll be playing a Gnome Paladin at release and then you'll all fear.

Grymspeak eredeti hozzászólása:

Tinball eredeti hozzászólása:

I do not understand why anyone wants to play a human in a fantasy game?

Because a great many people like to simulate their favorite protagonist from fantasy fiction. Most fantasy fiction protagonists are human.

Examples: Conan, Kull, Solomon Kane, Valeria, Red Sonja, Aragorn, Sparrowhawk, Milamber, Merlin, Carolinus, Arthur, Kvothe, Alanna, Arya, Jon Snow, John Carter, Corwin, Elminster, Minsc, Wulfgar, Caramon, Raistlin, Tika, Sturm Brightblade, Mordenkainen, Tenser, Rincewind, Fahfard, Grey Mouser, Taran of Prydain, Druss, Waylander, Tenaka Khan, Yennefer, Belgarath, Nynaeve, etc.

The list goes on and on...

Because they don't have any imagination they copy everything else..

[GrandMajora]

Icedfate eredeti hozzászólása:

yeah, i was mkstaken, i thought tieflings were half demon, but i guess they are half devil.
but then again, the PHB doesn't seem to make that distinction. they say "infernal"

Infernal specifically refers to the denizens of Hell, and anything associated with the Nine Hells

Demons are classified as Abyssal, and originate from... well, the Abyss.

[GrandMajora]

DanteYoda eredeti hozzászólása:

They make really good Druids as well. I'll be playing a Gnome Paladin at release and then you'll all fear.

Tempted to make a Wildheart Barbarian, Forest Gnome.

Friend to all woodland critters, absolute menace to everything else.

[PocketYoda]

GrandMajora eredeti hozzászólása:

DanteYoda eredeti hozzászólása:

They make really good Druids as well. I'll be playing a Gnome Paladin at release and then you'll all fear.

Tempted to make a Wildheart Barbarian, Forest Gnome.

Friend to all woodland critters, absolute menace to everything else.

I already did and was surprisingly good. At least early on.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2836987153
My stats.
The +2 int really helps with early rolls

[KeepCleaving]

GrandMajora eredeti hozzászólása:

Pan Darius Kairos eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean, unless you're playing Variant Human and get an extra feat. This is generally considered to be one of the most powerful builds.

Oooh, ahhh, an extra feat at level 1. Whoopdy doo.

wow, you're ignorance is astounding.

[GrandMajora]

KeepCleaving eredeti hozzászólása:

wow, you're ignorance is astounding.

Maybe this is because BG3 is my first ever introduction to playing 5th edition's system, but just looking at the feats currently in game right now, I'm not that impressed.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Icedfate eredeti hozzászólása:

GrandMajora eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't know who told you Aasimar were in this game, but they're not currently playable right now. They are also not a core race, either. So I can only presume that if they do get added, it's in response to the fact Tieflings are in, and they wanted players to have the upper planes counterpart to them.

um. . google told me assimar were in the game. . .
it also says something called a "mephistopholes" is in the game as well.

i thought like "wtf is that? is it like the opposite of the assimar? half devil as opposed to half angel? because Mephistopholes is a devil?"
but then somewhere else says it a tiefling subrace. i never heard of that subrace, but then again, i was unaware that there even were tiefling subraces. i guess that's from one of the newer books? i haven't played since Volo's guide came out.
. tieflings are half demon and D&D makes a distinction between devil and demons. devils come from the 9 hecks and are ruled by asmodeus and baalzebul, while demons come from the abyss and have such fiends as Demogorgon, not The Demogorgon(of Stranger Things fame), just Demogorgon.
unless maybe he's a celebrity now because of thr tv show, like Cher or something.

you might be lwalking through the 666 layers of the abyss and bump into him and then be like "what? Demogorgon? you mean "The" Demogorgon?! OMG, i'm such a big fan! can i haz your autograph?"

All devils and demons are collectively referred to as Fiends. Devils specifically come from the Nine Hells and are more organized (they were based on the Lawful Evil alignment) and hierarchical. Demons come from the Abyss and were based on the Chaotic Evil alignment and are less hierarchical. They are also differentiated by the Blood War, an eternal war in which Demons and Devils have fought each other for millions of years. In some stories, the Hells are like forced labor for criminal prisoners, where celestials and mortals who have committed great acts of evil go to pay for their sins, by conscripted into the Blood War. The Abyss is where the truly irredeemable go. This would make the Nine Hells more like purgatory, for although wholly evil and a place of torment, it still represents a path to redemption through service in the Blood War.

The Nine Hells are ultimately ruled by Asmodeus alone (who has ascended to godhood, he is no longer merely an archdevil like he used to be, he is a full god now). Each of the Nine Hells are individually ruled by an Archdevil (such as Baalzebul), who are subject to none other than Asmodeus.

In the Abyss, sometimes powerful demons rise through sheer might to command other demons, or hordes of demons, through dominance. These are Demon Lords, and Demogorgon is one (sometimes thought to be the most powerful) of them. There are quite a few others, and even a former Archdevil turned Demon Lord (Grazt). Sometimes devils and demons switch sides, although it's almost always a devil defecting to the demons, not the other way around. The 'demogorgon' from Stranger Things is utterly unrelated, as Demogorgon in D&D is a unique character and there is only one of him.

And then there's the Obyriths, which don't get talked about often, and for good reason. They are possibly more terrifying than any devil or demon. Lore has it that they gave birth to all of the Fiends, that they themselves are from another dimension, one that was destroyed or corrupted (quite likely by them), that they are invaders, and their very presence corrupts any universe that they inhabit. The Obyriths harbor such lovelies as The Queen of Chaos, Pale Night (mother of all demons), and Obox-ob. The Obyrith are D&D's "Cthulhu Mythos" antagonists, amorphous, nebulous Elder Gods from another dimension and the Far Realm.

Tieflings are humans (because, apparently, only humans can crossbreed with other races in D&D) who have Fiendish ancestry somewhere in their past. It doesn't necessarily need to be their parents, but it could be. It just means that any of their ancestors bred with a Fiend, and that Fiend could have been a Devil or a Demon.

I have yet to see an Obyrith Tiefling, but I think it would be pretty interesting. Particularly a Pale Night Tiefling, who is my favorite Obyrith of all.

[GrandMajora]

Pan Darius Kairos eredeti hozzászólása:

Tieflings are humans (because, apparently, only humans can crossbreed with other races in D&D) who have Fiendish ancestry somewhere in their past. It doesn't necessarily need to be their parents, but it could be. It just means that any of their ancestors bred with a Fiend, and that Fiend could have been a Devil or a Demon.

Just one of the main reasons why I've started falling in love with Pathfinder 2nd edition. The halfbreed races / ancestries are no longer confined to being half human anymore. You can, if you want to, have a Goblin Aasimar, a Gnome Tiefling, a Kobold Dhampir, an Orc Sylph, est.


The sub-races for Tieflings are also much cooler, in my opinion. You can be descended from Demons, Daemons, Devils, Rakshasa, Qlippoths and Velstrac.

[Spag]

But why male models?