Ugly faces

[$50 Suits]

Disappointed by the lack of complex character customisation, and the pre-set faces for males aren't much to look at. Tried making a male human? It's just different shades of ugly.

I am suspecting some slight SJW shenanigans, or maybe we'll get more options when the game is fully released.

Refunding until then.

Yes, I'm that shallow.

[justin579]

引用自 Quillithe：

引用自 justin579：

should be simple enough for you all https://prnt.sc/64gTL0Pc6H2e

Funny thing about that is it actually disproves the whole 'it's some new agenda thing' when the USA elf appearance is from over 20 years ago.

Maybe it's because in western countries we have a cultural history of elves besides the Tolkien style ones, so they get portrayed in a larger variety of ways.

Also different countries have different emphasis on having everyone always be super beautiful. Compare British and American TV for example - you're allowed to have main characters that look very plain on British TV, and that's pretty rare on American TV.

Well original LOTR, we had that babe guardiel.
and rings of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ they picked a uglier woman. so it makes sense.

[GrandMajora]

引用自 Mememe：

Activision-Blizzard with a far and far and far higher budget than Larian Studios has, only does it for the cinematics which they release once or a few times a year.

Whereas the actual characters in-game look awfully pixelated, hair and equipment clips through clothing or the ground and a lot of pieces of clothing barely have detail.

Baldur's Gate 3 in-game characters look far better than WoW's. You don't really think WoW characters look exactly like the cinematic? I mean have you actually played the game?

Budget doesn't mean ♥♥♥♥ when it comes to production quality. There have been many, many projects that had huge production budgets, only to fail hard upon their release.

And Blizzard is a far cry away from the legend that it once was. Whatever passion and soul the company had in the past is long since burned out.


Larian has done better before.

Larian can do better again.

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Also, once again, you are missing the point. Yes, the beautiful looking Sylvanus was in a cutscene and not actual gameplay. But the graphics in BG3 are of similar, if not better quality than WoW's cinematic graphics. Therefor, Larian should be able to give us elves with a similar, if not better, level of beauty.

Stop trying to play the role of body positivity activist and take these ugly looking elves back to Twitter where they belong. The only elves I approve of are the high fantasy sex gods.

https://youtu.be/lRrOLTHu-ew

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

I don't think Galadriel from RoP is any less beautiful than Cate Blanchett from LotR (although Cate really does bring a sense of otherworldliness to the role that few others can match - she did the same in Thor: Ragnarok), but I do think people experience dissonance from seeing different actors portray the same character.

I have plenty other criticisms about that show (primarily concerning the length of certain elve's hair and the manner in which they glowed up Sauron), but the actress who plays Galadriel is extremely attractive.

[GrandMajora]

引用自 Mememe：

Projects with huge production costs that failed, were projects that failed because they were simply bad games, not because the graphics were bad. So not entirely sure what you're trying to imply.

I also never claimed budget guarantees quality or in this case 'objective beauty', as that completely depends on the artists depiction of the world they're creating. The design choice they're going with can be good looking to me but bad looking to you. Like a huge budget company can still make a pixel-game.

Blizzard being what it is today has nothing to do with graphical fidelity / graphical beauty of characters, on the contrary graphical fidelity went up (in-game) compared to the early beginnings. So irrelevant.

The rest of your comment is not interesting.

I didn't specify that they failed because of bad graphics, nor that a high budget guaranteed better graphics. Don't know where you got that idea into your head? I was telling you that just because Blizzard has a higher budget than Larian, that does not inherently mean they are the better game developers.

We're living in an era where indie game developers are making far more popular games than the big name industries.

Hell, just look at Undertale and Cave Story, both made using the ancient art of 8 bit pixels, and see how widely popular they have since become.

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The issue with ugly faces in BG3 has nothing to do with budget funding, or game engine. It is a matter of acknowledging and respecting the lore of which the game is based on. And in the context of that lore, Elves are meant to be impossibly beautiful.

[GrandMajora]

引用自 Mememe：

Well I was under the assumption that the topic of conversation was graphics, because if it wasn't I don't see how project failure statement was relevant to the topic we were discussing.

The graphics are fine, as far as I'm concerned. Nothing to complain about too much in that regard. It's just the modeling team they had working on it.

Most of the other races such as humans, dwarves and halflings are fine looking more realistic, or even rugged; and the githyanki have always been fugly bastards since their original inception to the setting.

But elves specifically are where the problems start to arise. They are supposed to be way more beautiful than what we've been presented with in BG3 so far.

[Ryvucz]

50 shades of ugly?

[GrandMajora]

引用自 cool-dude：

It's because they used real people for their face models, and people in general are ugly.

Yes, I am aware of that.

And I agree, most people are ugly.

[Quillithe]

引用自 GrandMajora：

引用自 cool-dude：

It's because they used real people for their face models, and people in general are ugly.

Yes, I am aware of that.

And I agree, most people are ugly.

I think I see the fundamental disagreement here. I find most women pretty attractive by default.

[Trap Queen 85]

引用自 GrandMajora：

引用自 cool-dude：

It's because they used real people for their face models, and people in general are ugly.

Yes, I am aware of that.

And I agree, most people are ugly.

I mean let's be real. You ask most women what they think they are on a scale from 1-10 and they'll say 8-10 when in reality it's more like 4-6. 7 is like local cutie, maybe won some local pageant. 5 being average. 8 is like Hollywood level beauty. 9-10 is cover model level.

[GrandMajora]

引用自 Quillithe：

I think I see the fundamental disagreement here. I find most women pretty attractive by default.

And that's your prerogative to do. But as for me, I hold elves to a higher standard than I do humans. If they aren't perfect demigods of beauty, they don't feel like proper elves to me.

Maybe I would let it slide, if we're talking about half elves. But a pure blooded elf, who has a close connection with the realm of the Fey and all the fantastic creatures who reside there, should never be confined by 'realistic' conformity.

[Trap Queen 85]

引用自 GrandMajora：

引用自 Quillithe：

I think I see the fundamental disagreement here. I find most women pretty attractive by default.

And that's your prerogative to do. But as for me, I'm hold elves to a higher standard than I do humans. If they aren't perfect demigods of beauty, they don't feel like proper elves to me.

Maybe I would let it slide, if we're talking about half elves. But a pure blooded elf, who has a close connection with the realm of the Fey and all the fantastic creatures who reside there should never be confined by 'realistic' conformity.

Completely agree!

[Quillithe]

引用自 GrandMajora：

引用自 Quillithe：

I think I see the fundamental disagreement here. I find most women pretty attractive by default.

And that's your prerogative to do. But as for me, I hold elves to a higher standard than I do humans. If they aren't perfect demigods of beauty, they don't feel like proper elves to me.

Maybe I would let it slide, if we're talking about half elves. But a pure blooded elf, who has a close connection with the realm of the Fey and all the fantastic creatures who reside there, should never be confined by 'realistic' conformity.

I guess? But by that standard none of the cinematics anyone linked would 'feel' like elves to me.

Personally I do prefer my elves a bit more 'fey' so I'm very much not a fan of that ESO elf, and I find BG3 elves a bit too human-looking. But that's a different issue.

In particular that ESO trailer violates lore pretty heavily to have a more attractive elf. Does this mean it's part of a sinister agenda?

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

I'm going to have to agree with the opposition for once.

Slender and Graceful
With their unearthly grace and fine features, elves appear hauntingly beautiful to humans and members of many other races. They are slightly shorter than humans on average, ranging from well under 5 feet tall to just over 6 feet. They are more slender than humans, weighing only 100 to 145 pounds. Males and females are about the same height, and males are only marginally heavier than females.

Elves’ coloration encompasses the normal human range and also includes skin in shades of copper, bronze, and almost bluish-white, hair of green or blue, and eyes like pools of liquid gold or silver. Elves have no facial and little body hair. They favor elegant clothing in bright colors, and they enjoy simple yet lovely jewelry.

I don't have a problem creating what I feel are hauntingly beautiful characters in BG3 though - the problem is that there's like between 1-3 facial types, hair styles/colors, and skin colors I like, meaning that I tend to (re)create the same 3-6 combinations over and over, so I get bored with character creation.

In other words, the way I see it, it's possible to create a half dozen or less attractive characters, but they certainly meet the high expectations of elfs when I do.

[Quillithe]

引用自 Pan Darius Kairos：

I'm going to have to agree with the opposition for once.

Slender and Graceful
With their unearthly grace and fine features, elves appear hauntingly beautiful to humans and members of many other races. They are slightly shorter than humans on average, ranging from well under 5 feet tall to just over 6 feet. They are more slender than humans, weighing only 100 to 145 pounds. Males and females are about the same height, and males are only marginally heavier than females.

Elves’ coloration encompasses the normal human range and also includes skin in shades of copper, bronze, and almost bluish-white, hair of green or blue, and eyes like pools of liquid gold or silver. Elves have no facial and little body hair. They favor elegant clothing in bright colors, and they enjoy simple yet lovely jewelry.

I don't have a problem creating what I feel are hauntingly beautiful characters in BG3 though - the problem is that there's like between 1-3 facial types, hair styles/colors, and skin colors I like, meaning that I tend to (re)create the same 3-6 combinations over and over, so I get bored with character creation.

In other words, the way I see it, it's possible to create a half dozen or less attractive characters, but they certainly meet the high expectations of elfs when I do.

Oh yeah, nobody is arguing against more options!

At least I hope not lol

[Cirrus]

引用自 GrandMajora：

引用自 Quillithe：

Also, again, it's not really an easy task to make a character look universally supernaturally beautiful in a realistic style. Can anyone name a game that has done it, for example?

World of Warcraft cinematic cutscenes did it quite well. Take a look at their elves, like Sylvanus Windrunner.

https://youtu.be/FOChImfz9dw

That really creeps me out. I see that elf as a child. And you can guess what that makes me think when somebody uses that as example of beautiful.

Edit: fixed typo mentioned below and maybe I need to explain terminology. If I do not use child as is proper in english language and things become overly dramatic, child refered to someone under age of 18. That age in my country is where person becomes adult.