Smoker trait causes random coughing

[WORTWORTWORT]

I disabled all my mods and my character would still cough randomly after spawning.

[Levanon]

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This is not a bug. Cough will occur occasionally for players with Smoker trait 1 time in 2-5 hours. Should it be more rare if it's annoying?

The intended 1 time in 2-5 hours would probably be fine. Right now my smoker is coughing ~2x per hour though. I hope you guys can get this looked at quickly.

When I was playing earlier, I didn't experience this bug. The trait still turned a simple loot run into multiple unplanned combats with hundreds of zombies.

Luckily I'm a one-handed weapon user, already have an established base in a remote location, and can equip tissues that I've already stockpiled in my secondary slot. The trait effectively makes using 2H weapons untenable now, and I can't imagine starting a new game with the trait.

[jagged]

happy so many have spotted this - ty
i enjoy my smoke....

[Shrub]

smokers cough.... shouldnt have started the bad habit :p

[Zer0_Keter]

I have the same problem!
smoker. Severe frequent cough. Zombies hear me from a long distance

[BBThorn]

In build 41, smoker was admittedly overpowered. Cigs were abundant, a single convenience store often had a zomboid lifetime (admittedly, not a very long time) supply, and although it was only worth 2 points it was a default take for me.

Build 42 added a few problematic interactions between smoker and stress that others have pointed out elsewhere, but to me the real problem is how incredibly scarce cigs became. Finding sufficient cigarettes is now extremely challenging. There's also the risk of coughing shortly after you had smoked, which I thought was a good mechanic, because you have to consider whether it's better to smoke and run the risk of coughing, or deal with the increased stress.

Now with random coughing added, it's a whole other ballgame. It's far worse, it potentially causes a cascading failure on a stealth run, and on top of that it's just annoying. I found the trait BARELY worth considering taking prior to this most recent change; now it's a never-take. I'd revert it to a risk of coughing immediately after smoking. Random coughing is a worse trait that conspicuous, which is worth +4 and doesn't have the downside of having to hunt for cigs.

If you're going to keep the random coughing, I would rather see it turned down even further, to once every 12 hours on average.

[BBThorn]

Alternatively, keep smoker as-is with the periodic coughing and increase the benefit to +6. The +2 was already reasonable from the stress and needing to find cigs. +4 for having a trait that's similar, balance-wise, to conspicuous.

[Shrub]

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Alternatively, keep smoker as-is with the periodic coughing and increase the benefit to +6. The +2 was already reasonable from the stress and needing to find cigs. +4 for having a trait that's similar, balance-wise, to conspicuous.

totally realistic...ever meet someone with smoker cough? don't like it don't pick it its a nagitive trait for a reason....
People need to stop complaining about games making everything getting nerf instead of #gitgud

[Negative Trait]

Thought they apparently fixed this bug but apparently it's now even worse? Was happening to me before the new update, seems to be tied to the coldness illness. I ran debug mode and found that increasing cold illness just a little above 0 actually stops the non-stop coughing, but it comes back once it hits zero. Only solution was to remove the trait.

[Urban Legend]

This is a neat idea but either the frequency should be far less often, or else the points you get for the malus should be far greater. I am not a smoker myself but I have relatives who are and although I have on occasion heard them cough, it isn't nearly as much as this translates to even given 2 hour days. They might cough randomly once or twice a day.

[L:D]

>smoke an pack per day
>cough
Damn, why i'm coughing?

[Max-Turbator]

they need to remove it, it makes 0 sense , as a smoker i do not cough randomly when i am not smoking, even barely while smoking, the way it it right now , the trait is just as usefull as being a doctor

[Puppers]

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they need to remove it, it makes 0 sense , as a smoker i do not cough randomly when i am not smoking, even barely while smoking, the way it it right now , the trait is just as usefull as being a doctor

Youre one person out of a million, my family are smokers, some died to lung cancer and coughing is 100% a thing, especially when sleeping and the yummy lung butter is settling. I used to cough when I did smoke.

I think the negative traits need to be negative and people should really outweigh the pros and cons of taking traits, it was really too easy before. People are just so used to their meta builds being meta lol

[Derk]

In all honesty, the change I would've made would be to lower the exertion threshold for smokers and then start giving them all these coughs and issues while exerted. If I'm a smoker just walking around, I'm not gonna have issues. But chopping wood or disposing corpses might give me some of that trouble. Idk, just a way I thought this could be balanced better.

[Rusty]

Add more points to Smoker trait and make it more frequent when low endurance.

If you continue to nerf smoker, you NEED to increase the points given. It's like sick and asthma had a baby now.

[Beltneck]

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they need to remove it, it makes 0 sense , as a smoker i do not cough randomly when i am not smoking, even barely while smoking, the way it it right now , the trait is just as usefull as being a doctor

Vaping doesn't count.

Suck on 20-24 fibreglass filters a day, while your tobacco is sprayed with pesticides, fungicides, and benzine based preservatives. Only way you won't be coughing from scratched and tar coated lungs is if you're on some serious painkillers.

Is why I preferred cotton filters, then it was just the tar I had to worry about. Also natural tobacco was a lot smoother, but can only get that on some reservations.