Collision and stamina need to be addressed

[JustSomeGuy]

This game is amazing. Top favorite of all time. But now I play on sprinters at night with all zombie settings set to weak besides sprinting at night. Normal shamblers during the day. But why are sprinters able to grab you when your completely outta the grab frame and slow you to a snails pace allowing other sprinters to end up dog pilling you. Also trip chance is way to high with sprinters. I run into 1 zombie back facing me and i somehow trip. Ive done sports and usually the person that ends up tripping or falling or getting absolutely smashed is the person with less inertia or not ready for it. if im full on fullball sprinting at someone or a zombie and i collied with them usually the person with more speed and inertia is going to absolutely close line the individual standing motionless not even bracing for impact. but my character is a anemic 5 year old with the power of a person with nothing but skin and bones yet i take the veteran perk. Also the cardio on our characters are absolutely atrocious. my character cant sprint for more than 5 min but can swing a crowbar for hours on end killing hundreds of zombies but cant run more than 1 mile? stamina just does not make sense. I can swing my heavy ass weapon killing endless amount of zombies a day while climbing fences over and over. but the minute i sprint for 0.2 sec my character is outta breath. (note no i was not over carrying capacity. i was messing around in sandbox just feeling things out before i committed to a sprinter night run. none of the mods i have interact with zombie damage or there speed. i as not hungry or any debuff before any of this transpired) THIS IS BUILD 41 NOT 42. JUST FYI

[Zaidah]

Are we playing the same B42 version ? Because my character starts gettings exhausted after about 20 swing with a one-handed blunt weapon (granted he only has 4 fitness, but still). Stamina consumption likely didn't change for running, but definitely did for fighting.

As for the trip, were you sprinting ? Because when sprinting, colliding with even a single zombie will make your trip almost all the time. When simply running, you must collide with a few of them within a short time to trip.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by Zaidah:

Are we playing the same B42 version ? Because my character starts gettings exhausted after about 20 swing with a one-handed blunt weapon (granted he only has 4 fitness, but still). Stamina consumption likely didn't change for running, but definitely did for fighting.

As for the trip, were you sprinting ? Because when sprinting, colliding with even a single zombie will make your trip almost all the time. When simply running, you must collide with a few of them within a short time to trip.

That feels wrong i could kill 9 zombies with a wench with a 1 fitness 0 str guy.
Maybe i was lucky and they were the weak kind but 20 swings seem definetly very low.
Which weapon did you use as a one handed weapon? (My guess is it was one of the heavier ones and that caused the issue)

[Shurenai]

To the OP, Literally not a single human in the world can Sprint for 5 minutes, Let alone more than. Even the best olympians in the world can only maintain a full on sprint for about 12-15 seconds, Maybe as much as 20 for the most modern ones, I havent checked in the last 2 years. Either way, it ain't 5 minutes. After that 15~ seconds their stores of ATP are depleted and they literally can't make it fast fast enough to keep that pace. Your speed becomes limited by the rate your body can produce ATP.

Go sprint for 10 seconds IRL and see how well you do. And I dont mean 'Run', I mean 'SPRINT'. Full tilt, As hard as you possibly can, Don't hold back in the slightest- The moment you start to slow down because your muscles won't listen to you and keep giving you that explosive power, You're no longer sprinting, You've drained your muscles of their stored ATP and while you may carry that momentum a little with good form, you will slow considerably no matter how desperately you want to keep going top speed.

As above, Even trained world class Olympians can only sprint hard for about 12-15 seconds. The average joe can go for about 6-7. And in both cases requires a considerable period after to cool off and recover- For an olympian, they can largely recover in about 5-7 minutes, an average joe takes quite a while more. It is an incredibly taxing body straining act that leaves you drained and exhausted.

You can Run a marathon, But you can only Sprint about 50-100m depending(Which is why the classic sprint event is 100m). The longest olympic sprint event is 400m and they slow down considerably well before the end because our bodies literally cannot support a dead sprint.


In short, The cardio of the character in PZ is actually pretty good for an average joe, all considered.

[Zaidah]

I was mainly using tree branches (full and then broken, eventually). I also did some push and stomp, but mainly hits. Maybe it was more around 30 offensive actions without interruption before the exhausted moodle appeared, with 4 fitness. My guy is also overweight but since I didn't run in the process it shouldn't affect the stamina drain.

[JustSomeGuy]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

To the OP, Literally not a single human in the world can Sprint for 5 minutes, Let alone more than. Even the best olympians in the world can only maintain a full on sprint for about 12-15 seconds, Maybe as much as 20 for the most modern ones, I havent checked in the last 2 years. Either way, it ain't 5 minutes. After that 15~ seconds their stores of ATP are depleted and they literally can't make it fast fast enough to keep that pace. Your speed becomes limited by the rate your body can produce ATP.

Go sprint for 10 seconds IRL and see how well you do. And I dont mean 'Run', I mean 'SPRINT'. Full tilt, As hard as you possibly can, Don't hold back in the slightest- The moment you start to slow down because your muscles won't listen to you and keep giving you that explosive power, You're no longer sprinting, You've drained your muscles of their stored ATP and while you may carry that momentum a little with good form, you will slow considerably no matter how desperately you want to keep going top speed.

As above, Even trained world class Olympians can only sprint hard for about 12-15 seconds. The average joe can go for about 6-7. And in both cases requires a considerable period after to cool off and recover- For an olympian, they can largely recover in about 5-7 minutes, an average joe takes quite a while more. It is an incredibly taxing body straining act that leaves you drained and exhausted.

You can Run a marathon, But you can only Sprint about 50-100m depending(Which is why the classic sprint event is 100m). The longest olympic sprint event is 400m and they slow down considerably well before the end because our bodies literally cannot support a dead sprint.


In short, The cardio of the character in PZ is actually pretty good for an average joe, all considered.

idk i disagree. I think the character isnt even sprinting. it looks to me more like a basic jog. Beacuse the sprinters zombies are way faster. And they are rotting decaying flesh with maggots in them aka why you can find maggots on corpses. So how is a decaying dead corpse of rotting tissue able to sprint faster than a non decaying ALIVE human. The cardio is terrible. You cant even basic jog a block without having exhaustion. you dont even have to be a avid runner to be better conditioned than the most lazy project zomboid character. just look up sprinters running. theres no way in hell you can tell me our character is even sprinting at that point. just look up basic running. hes going at about the same speed as a basic jogger or runner(if your character is actually somewhat in shape.). thats our players "sprinting' speed. Not including that cardio does not 100% correlate to weight lifting and strength. you can still dumbell curl a 30lb dumbell after running a 5k. you may not be able to do max reps but you will still be able to at least get out some reps.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by JustSomeGuy:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

To the OP, Literally not a single human in the world can Sprint for 5 minutes, Let alone more than. Even the best olympians in the world can only maintain a full on sprint for about 12-15 seconds, Maybe as much as 20 for the most modern ones, I havent checked in the last 2 years. Either way, it ain't 5 minutes. After that 15~ seconds their stores of ATP are depleted and they literally can't make it fast fast enough to keep that pace. Your speed becomes limited by the rate your body can produce ATP.

Go sprint for 10 seconds IRL and see how well you do. And I dont mean 'Run', I mean 'SPRINT'. Full tilt, As hard as you possibly can, Don't hold back in the slightest- The moment you start to slow down because your muscles won't listen to you and keep giving you that explosive power, You're no longer sprinting, You've drained your muscles of their stored ATP and while you may carry that momentum a little with good form, you will slow considerably no matter how desperately you want to keep going top speed.

As above, Even trained world class Olympians can only sprint hard for about 12-15 seconds. The average joe can go for about 6-7. And in both cases requires a considerable period after to cool off and recover- For an olympian, they can largely recover in about 5-7 minutes, an average joe takes quite a while more. It is an incredibly taxing body straining act that leaves you drained and exhausted.

You can Run a marathon, But you can only Sprint about 50-100m depending(Which is why the classic sprint event is 100m). The longest olympic sprint event is 400m and they slow down considerably well before the end because our bodies literally cannot support a dead sprint.


In short, The cardio of the character in PZ is actually pretty good for an average joe, all considered.

idk i disagree. I think the character isnt even sprinting. it looks to me more like a basic jog. Beacuse the sprinters zombies are way faster. And they are rotting decaying flesh with maggots in them aka why you can find maggots on corpses. So how is a decaying dead corpse of rotting tissue able to sprint faster than a non decaying ALIVE human. The cardio is terrible. You cant even basic jog a block without having exhaustion. you dont even have to be a avid runner to be better conditioned than the most lazy project zomboid character. just look up sprinters running. theres no way in hell you can tell me our character is even sprinting at that point. just look up basic running. hes going at about the same speed as a basic jogger or runner(if your character is actually somewhat in shape.). thats our players "sprinting' speed. Not including that cardio does not 100% correlate to weight lifting and strength. you can still dumbell curl a 30lb dumbell after running a 5k. you may not be able to do max reps but you will still be able to at least get out some reps.

You may be confusing Run with Sprint. In PZ they're actually two separate buttons you can press; Shift I think by default is Run, Tap Alt however and you Sprint. You can Run for quite a long time- Much longer than 5 minutes. You can't sprint very long at all.

If you're running, of course sprinter zombies are going to outpace you and catch up.

There's another thing that may be interfering with your perception; The time compression vs distance travelled. You say 'can't run a block without getting some exhaustion', but, How much Time is passing in game over that distance? Time passes 24x faster by default (1hr = 1 ingame day), So a short run over a short distance in your perspective is actually a long run over a long period of time.

It gets a lil weird, admittedly.

Edit: Also, be mindful that the player character recovers exhaustion RAPIDLY. You can run yourself ragged, sit down for an hour, and do it again, over and over for 16 straight hours.


As for the zombies, They are rotting decaying flesh, but, they're also reanimated through some essentially supernatural means. Like... Zombies just don't exist to begin with. So applying basic 'well it's rotting so it shoudn't XYZ' logic just doesn't apply... Because, Yes, it's rotting, and everything we know about something rotting is that it is dead and shouldn't be moving in the first place.

[JustSomeGuy]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Originally posted by JustSomeGuy:

idk i disagree. I think the character isnt even sprinting. it looks to me more like a basic jog. Beacuse the sprinters zombies are way faster. And they are rotting decaying flesh with maggots in them aka why you can find maggots on corpses. So how is a decaying dead corpse of rotting tissue able to sprint faster than a non decaying ALIVE human. The cardio is terrible. You cant even basic jog a block without having exhaustion. you dont even have to be a avid runner to be better conditioned than the most lazy project zomboid character. just look up sprinters running. theres no way in hell you can tell me our character is even sprinting at that point. just look up basic running. hes going at about the same speed as a basic jogger or runner(if your character is actually somewhat in shape.). thats our players "sprinting' speed. Not including that cardio does not 100% correlate to weight lifting and strength. you can still dumbell curl a 30lb dumbell after running a 5k. you may not be able to do max reps but you will still be able to at least get out some reps.

You may be confusing Run with Sprint. In PZ they're actually two separate buttons you can press; Shift I think by default is Run, Tap Alt however and you Sprint. You can Run for quite a long time- Much longer than 5 minutes. You can't sprint very long at all.

If you're running, of course sprinter zombies are going to outpace you and catch up.

There's another thing that may be interfering with your perception; The time compression vs distance travelled. You say 'can't run a block, but, How much Time is passing in game over that distance? Time passes 24x faster by default (1hr = 1 ingame day), So a short run over a short distance in your perspective is actually a long run over a long period of time.

It gets a lil weird, admittedly.


As for the zombies, They are rotting decaying flesh, but, they're also reanimated through some essentially supernatural means. Like... Zombies just don't exist to begin with. So applying basic 'well it's rotting so it shoudn't XYZ' logic just doesn't apply... Because, Yes, it's rotting, and everything we know about something rotting is that it is dead and shouldn't be moving in the first place.

no man. sprinting and running. both are underpowerd terribly. both are terribly weak. yes its understandable having less stamina when you have a backpack and a bunch of stuff in it. but if your just wearing your basic pants shirt socks and shoes you shouldnt be gassed running or slightly running fastser than before from just 1 block. this game is a simulator. at least it tries to be. it does it in alot of ways. but stamina and cardios is not where it is shining rn imo. maybe it is the time dif. beacuse i do run it on basic of 1 hour is a day. but still. running not even a block should not gas you as bad as it does in game. idk how they can fix that but its pretty bad imo. it takes nobody 1 hour to run a block and end up being gassed irl. . Beacuse food and water seems to be accurate you gotta eat 2-3 times a day and at least drink multiple times a day to be 100% in pz. where just running for 1 or 2 blocks makes you completely gassed and exhausted.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by JustSomeGuy:

Originally posted by Shurenai:

You may be confusing Run with Sprint. In PZ they're actually two separate buttons you can press; Shift I think by default is Run, Tap Alt however and you Sprint. You can Run for quite a long time- Much longer than 5 minutes. You can't sprint very long at all.

If you're running, of course sprinter zombies are going to outpace you and catch up.

There's another thing that may be interfering with your perception; The time compression vs distance travelled. You say 'can't run a block, but, How much Time is passing in game over that distance? Time passes 24x faster by default (1hr = 1 ingame day), So a short run over a short distance in your perspective is actually a long run over a long period of time.

It gets a lil weird, admittedly.


As for the zombies, They are rotting decaying flesh, but, they're also reanimated through some essentially supernatural means. Like... Zombies just don't exist to begin with. So applying basic 'well it's rotting so it shoudn't XYZ' logic just doesn't apply... Because, Yes, it's rotting, and everything we know about something rotting is that it is dead and shouldn't be moving in the first place.

no man. sprinting and running. both are underpowerd terribly. both are terribly weak. yes its understandable having less stamina when you have a backpack and a bunch of stuff in it. but if your just wearing your basic pants shirt socks and shoes you shouldnt be gassed running or slightly running fastser than before from just 1 block. this game is a simulator. at least it tries to be. it does it in alot of ways. but stamina and cardios is not where it is shining rn imo. maybe it is the time dif. beacuse i do run it on basic of 1 hour is a day. but still. running not even a block should not gas you as bad as it does in game. idk how they can fix that but its pretty bad imo. it takes nobody 1 hour to run a block and end up being gassed irl. . Beacuse food and water seems to be accurate you gotta eat 2-3 times a day and at least drink multiple times a day to be 100% in pz. where just running for 1 or 2 blocks makes you completely gassed and exhausted.

How bad is your fitness in game? Like, Are you nuking yourself to 1 fitness or something? O.o You can run quite a lot longer than 1 block, Like.. A LOT longer.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3393952615
This is the in Muldraugh, From that connecting road in the bottom left by the green building, to where the red dot is now. 2:30 seconds straight of running up the main road of Muldraugh (Zombies disabled, this is a straight line), That's how long it took that long to get the first stage of exhaustion. Out of four. This represents the distance one can run with 1/3rd of the endurance bar that can be used while running (at 75% you can no longer run, so you have 75% to run with, and the first moodle appears at 25%)

And to be clear; That is a 1 hour run in ingame time. From that bottom left corner by the green building to where the red dot is.

With a basic fitness 5 character, unencumbered, with no experience in the running skill, You can run for 7m30s~ of real time, That's 3 whole hours of ingame running before you Need to pause and take a break because you can't run anymore, and 1 hour of running before you feel the first exhaustion effects. And you cover quite a lot more distance than you're giving credit for. Yes, I'm sure it FEELS like you're not traveling that far, but it's quite a lot longer than you're giving it credit for. And quite a lot better cardio than you give it credit for too.

I get it, The ingame representation isn't perfect and can seem a bit wonky to our perceptions. But, A 3 hour run is a lot more than most people can do without some serious training; But if I were to repeat the test with Fitness 10 and Running 10, I'd go WAY longer and WAY further.

[dantaeusb]

Originally posted by Nordil(Hun):

Originally posted by Zaidah:

Are we playing the same B42 version ? Because my character starts gettings exhausted after about 20 swing with a one-handed blunt weapon (granted he only has 4 fitness, but still). Stamina consumption likely didn't change for running, but definitely did for fighting.

As for the trip, were you sprinting ? Because when sprinting, colliding with even a single zombie will make your trip almost all the time. When simply running, you must collide with a few of them within a short time to trip.

That feels wrong i could kill 9 zombies with a wench with a 1 fitness 0 str guy.
Maybe i was lucky and they were the weak kind but 20 swings seem definetly very low.
Which weapon did you use as a one handed weapon? (My guess is it was one of the heavier ones and that caused the issue)

I've noticed that !!IN b42, NOT b41!! there's a severe disparity towards one-handed handling of the weapon. I've been carrying a flashlight and with the crowbar in one hand I can barely kill 5-6 zombies with fitness 5 (I think). Yet if a character holds a crowbar with two hands, he's able to kill 2-3 dozens easily if you don't push too much, accumulating strain.

[Hawkslaya]

Originally posted by JustSomeGuy:

my character cant sprint for more than 5 min but can swing a crowbar for hours on end killing hundreds of zombies

THIS IS BUILD 41 NOT 42. JUST FYI

Well the devs definitely heard you there, because this has been fixed Wishmaster style.

[DrLamp]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

As above, Even trained world class Olympians can only sprint hard for about 12-15 seconds. The average joe can go for about 6-7. And in both cases requires a considerable period after to cool off and recover- For an olympian, they can largely recover in about 5-7 minutes, an average joe takes quite a while more. It is an incredibly taxing body straining act that leaves you drained and exhausted.

You sure about that? Human's, even average ones, can do alot more than you think.

I didn't even realize it was you, I remember this exact post from several months ago. Until I noticed the name I thought someone was ripping you off. BTW, I like your new avatar, it looks cozy.