Look negative nancys, Cope harder B42 is fine, stop hating something new its not cool.

[bigcool3571]

Title, look i get that its easy to take the low path nowadays and just clown or hate everything new but that doesnt mean the product is fundamentally bad or was made out of malice.

TIS has passionate great and overall good minded people working for them to produce not another slop product but a genuine gaming experience, maybe if you guys and this is a genuine criticism to you PLAY THE GAME. Like seriously, play it like b41 survival and i guarantee youll get some good times out of it.

Also for those of you rage-baiting, please dont. Just go back to twitter its much funnier trying to clown someone there who is truly a bad person rather than trying to destroy a well made product here.

[cheeki-breekiv1.1]

if we paid money for it then we get to talk about it

[Epathos]

No one paid for this patch, and it says "beta".

Learn what stuff means

[ameeer]

Originally posted by Epathos:

No one paid for this patch, and it says "beta".

Learn what stuff means

we paid for the game and that means everyones opinion be it negative or positive is equal

[ultra]

It's unstable right now, and for example i see only black window, i hope they fix this, how it feels for me you think ?! Just stop make wordwar topics, better look at bug reports first
I'm not try jugge someone, i just can't play at all

[goobie snoobert]

being excessively positive in spite of glaring problems with the update is just as bad if not worse than needlessly complaining about everything
players generally don't complain out of malice, they complain because they care about the game and we want to see it improve. and the new fishing, shooting, and muscle strain systems, most certainly do not improve it

[Glenarn]

B42 is not fine, it's unstable and requires feedback which people are giving, there is a lot of negative feedback but that means the issue is common enough and hated that you are seeing it frequently.

You think something is positive? Great, post about it but telling people to shut up because you don't like all the negativity is worse than the actual negativity, it's toxic.

It's great and all saying "TIS has passionate great and overall good minded people working for them to produce not another slop product but a genuine gaming experience." but when they use AI art, only for them to lie about it say they aren't despite it being obvious they did makes the game look cheap and gives the impression they don't care about it.

[bigcool3571]

Originally posted by goobie snoobert:

being excessively positive in spite of glaring problems with the update is just as bad if not worse than needlessly complaining about everything
players generally don't complain out of malice, they complain because they care about the game and we want to see it improve. and the new fishing, shooting, and muscle strain systems, most certainly do not improve it

I disagree. with the amount of misinformation on the internet nowadays and general "hivemind" tactics people are MORE likely to band together and spite something out of hatred, also again do you not like the new features because you were safe and comfortable with b41, or are there any improvements you could add for fatigue fishing etc.

[bigcool3571]

Originally posted by Glenarn:

B42 is not fine, it's unstable and requires feedback which people are giving, there is a lot of negative feedback but that means the issue is common enough and hated that you are seeing it frequently.

You think something is positive? Great, post about it but telling people to shut up because you don't like all the negativity is worse than the actual negativity, it's toxic.

It's great and all saying "TIS has passionate great and overall good minded people working for them to produce not another slop product but a genuine gaming experience." but when they use AI art, only for them to lie about it say they aren't despite it being obvious they did makes the game look cheap and gives the impression they don't care about it.

Where are you getting your facts? First of all how the ♥♥♥♥ do you know that an artist isnt planning on using AI for a project? That would be me saying "oh look i 100% know bob over there is going to bring a sandwich into work tomorrow and he brings spaghetti." Its a gamble at best, especially with all the AI fearmongering nowadays, like sure TIS could of done some more background checks and safety to make sure AI art wasnt the main focus but it just happened suck it up.

Also, if they tried to "cover it up" as you said, why has it been removed from the game? surely if they didnt care and wanted the game to look cheap why is it gone, why do you get hungup on something so minor it has nothing to do with gameplay?

[bigcool3571]

Originally posted by ultra:

It's unstable right now, and for example i see only black window, i hope they fix this, how it feels for me you think ?! Just stop make wordwar topics, better look at bug reports first
I'm not try jugge someone, i just can't play at all

Right, but is that TIS fault, or sorry to be devils advocate yours? did you properly backup Build 41 before switching to 42? Did you make sure to clear the game files and reinstall zomboid to get the clearest game install, and before you reply "yes" cheekily while using this comment to fix ur mistakes? And if you even then did all that did you see if other users were having the same issue before you go to complain about it urself?

[jinx20001]

i think the update overall is good, especially if we were talking about 6 months of work, however it feels a long way off what years of progress should represent. So much just seems so under cooked considering the time frames were talking about. What they have done is a step forward, but it should be 3 steps forward and i think that is what irks a lot of people who have waited in anticipation for quite a while.

lets be honest it shouldn't be ''unstable'' at this point but yet its as unstable as i can remember with multiple crashes and bugs etc.

I am enjoying the update, the music is great, the atmosphere is great, i think the performance is better overall, the new parts of the map and polish many other parts have received is great. Problem is its just not that polished step i was expecting in so many other areas, its like they started so many things and didn't get close to finishing the idea, be it the hunting or things like picking up corpses, combat seems to be hit or miss, moodles are causing everybody to have moodles in real life etc...

Biting off more than they can chew comes to mind honestly, can you imagine how good 5 solid gameplay ideas/changes would be if they didn't try to add in 25 half baked ideas?

I cant hate the devs, its been a tough road and continues to be, the backlash must be a huge weight on their backs i just wish they would pick an idea, give it 3 months of their complete attention and drop it as an update. I know that is not practical as every person working on the game has a different skill that might not fall in line with that single plan but i think its what the game needs rather than a massive list of changes taking years of development that all looks amazing on paper but releases far from complete.

[Spenny]

Originally posted by bigcool3571:

Title, look i get that its easy to take the low path nowadays and just clown or hate everything new but that doesnt mean the product is fundamentally bad or was made out of malice.

TIS has passionate great and overall good minded people working for them to produce not another slop product but a genuine gaming experience, maybe if you guys and this is a genuine criticism to you PLAY THE GAME. Like seriously, play it like b41 survival and i guarantee youll get some good times out of it.

Also for those of you rage-baiting, please dont. Just go back to twitter its much funnier trying to clown someone there who is truly a bad person rather than trying to destroy a well made product here.

Negative feedback is how they know what people dont like and what to polish??
Remember they are still trying to sell a product and please the customers…
If you cannot handle peoples opinions dont browse the discussions?

[nasKo]

Originally posted by Spenny:

Negative feedback is how they know what people dont like and what to polish??
Remember they are still trying to sell a product and please the customers…
If you cannot handle peoples opinions dont browse the discussions?

"Negative" feedback can still be phrased constructively. Nobody wants to be told "their ♥♥♥♥ sucks" or "is garbage". People should still adhere to common decency when providing feedback, brushing it off as "if you don't like it, don't read it" is counter-productive too.

[Glenarn]

Originally posted by bigcool3571:

Where are you getting your facts? First of all how the ♥♥♥♥ do you know that an artist isnt planning on using AI for a project? That would be me saying "oh look i 100% know bob over there is going to bring a sandwich into work tomorrow and he brings spaghetti." Its a gamble at best, especially with all the AI fearmongering nowadays, like sure TIS could of done some more background checks and safety to make sure AI art wasnt the main focus but it just happened suck it up.

Also, if they tried to "cover it up" as you said, why has it been removed from the game? surely if they didnt care and wanted the game to look cheap why is it gone, why do you get hungup on something so minor it has nothing to do with gameplay?

Have you not looked at the loading screen art?
It's very obvious to tell when something is AI art as it has a terrible time trying to keep things consistent and will constantly introduce things like 6 fingers and it really just lazy overall and plagiarise others work which is exactly why it get's a lot of hate, it steals work from actual artists and is just overall lazy.

Also what was the drivel I read at the start, I have no idea what you are even trying to bring up,

I never said they tried to "cover it up" I said they lied and said they didn't, there is a post from Patrick Brennan of them saying it's not on Discord, he may have been misinformed but someone from Indie Stone still said they didn't.

Also, good job trying to gaslight.

[Spenny]

Originally posted by nasKo:

Originally posted by Spenny:

Negative feedback is how they know what people dont like and what to polish??
Remember they are still trying to sell a product and please the customers…
If you cannot handle peoples opinions dont browse the discussions?

"Negative" feedback can still be phrased constructively. Nobody wants to be told "their ♥♥♥♥ sucks" or "is garbage". People should still adhere to common decency when providing feedback, brushing it off as "if you don't like it, don't read it" is counter-productive too.

I see your point of view but the gun aiming has got me bothered..
I can slap in resident evil 2 right now and shoot things in a similar way/view except it works…
There is no mechanics the Player cannot see, you just point the guns and shoot (just like in real life)
What they have done to the guns is unreal… point shoot hit nothing…
The closer the zombies are the more ridiculous the gun angle looks and close enough your character flips 180 and looks the wrong way…
Sorry but thats garbage cope harder

[Spenny]

Personally i think the rest of b42 is amazing but the guns…
I cannot pretend its not destroyed