"Illiterate" is now "can't read"? (trait name changes)

[Frogging101]

First, thanks for B42. But this was a weird thing to change. Maybe they thought people wouldn't know what illiterate means? That's kind of ironic.

- "hemophobic" is now "fear of blood". This should be reverted.
- "agoraphobia" is now "Fear of outdoors". This should be reverted.
- "claustrophobic" is now "fear of indoors". This should be reverted.
- "Coward" is now "nervous". "Brave" is still "brave". This might be a fine descriptor depending on severity. Cowardly sounds more severe than nervous.
- Fast and slow metabolism make sense because the traits are permanent now. You should still be able to acquire obese, underweight, and overweight; not sure if they removed this though.

[Winblows]

The first 3 make some sense to me since that are kinda medical terms and tbh I dont remember common phobias off the back of my hand

coward doesnt make sense unless its not just a rename

[Isaac_MonkeyBoy]

simplifying all these trait names just comes off as fixing a problem (that is to say, people who don't want to go look it up not understanding what a word means) in the wrong way. tooltips would legit solve this problem easily

[Nordil(Hun)]

Publicado originalmente por Kaia:

exactly, god forbid this piece of fine entertainment also achieves some good edutainment for those who may benefit from it.

Anyways toodles, i gots to do a pear pie now, i have some friends over and i did a good dinner for them to eat good. I sure hope none of them do me a fear of the indoors or do me a fear of holes otherwise we may have to call the ax-pert to do a thing.

Remember the game where they did not add any spiders because a developer had fear of spiders?:D

[TheBasque]

Publicado originalmente por Lomak:

Publicado originalmente por Coconutsales:

Ax-pert actually

I like it, it's a pun!

Anyways who the ♥♥♥♥ cares? Trait names don't stop you from playing the game. Complaining about such a minor thing is peak cringe.

"Anyways who cares" is such an ignorant response. Obviously it was changed in the first place because people cared enough.

Point is people are tired of this massive PC culture of woke DEI nonsense. If people criticizing the change is cringe then what YOU are doing, by crying about someone else's criticism is beyond cringe.

Dude, you're a joke. The fact this is what you concern yourself with is pathetic. Stop pretending everything under the sun has to do with your garbage culture war ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that 99% of humanity doesn't give one iaota about.

I'm sure the members of TIS and I disagree on many things, especially politics, but I am not going to make threads about these minute changes and pretend they're more than what they are... Really, you guys have no idea why a game developer may want to simplify their language or make it more inclusive (I know this word triggers you but inclusivity doesn't mean what your brain rot tells you, it also means to cast a large net and include more people, which is kind of the goal)??

Being inclusive is actually a good thing, and it doesn't mean you've sold your soul for money. I know the culture war has destroyed your ability to think for yourself, but you've become the snowflake that screeches at the world.

[larhtas]

Publicado originalmente por TheBasque:

Publicado originalmente por Lomak:

"Anyways who cares" is such an ignorant response. Obviously it was changed in the first place because people cared enough.

Point is people are tired of this massive PC culture of woke DEI nonsense. If people criticizing the change is cringe then what YOU are doing, by crying about someone else's criticism is beyond cringe.

Dude, you're a joke. The fact this is what you concern yourself with is pathetic. Stop pretending everything under the sun has to do with your garbage culture war ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that 99% of humanity doesn't give one iaota about.

I'm sure the members of TIS and I disagree on many things, especially politics, but I am not going to make threads about these minute changes and pretend they're more than what they are... Really, you guys have no idea why a game developer may want to simplify their language or make it more inclusive (I know this word triggers you but inclusivity doesn't mean what your brain rot tells you, it also means to cast a large net and include more people, which is kind of the goal)??

Being inclusive is actually a good thing, and it doesn't mean you've sold your soul for money. I know the culture war has destroyed your ability to think for yourself, but you've become the snowflake that screeches at the world.

I was going to write something like that but you did it wonderfully. Here some points!

[TheBasque]

Publicado originalmente por Isaac_MonkeyBoy:

simplifying all these trait names just comes off as fixing a problem (that is to say, people who don't want to go look it up not understanding what a word means) in the wrong way. tooltips would legit solve this problem easily

It's not a problem, at all. How about this, go make a game and have annoying pissants whine about changing words on the screen that represents .0001% of the game and turn it into a point of contention, then come back to me about how you feel.

It's insane what you are all talking about. I understand now why Lemmy has lost his mind if these are types of "concerns" you lot send to the developers, with your ridiculous tone. And they've been dealing with your neurosis for 10+ years? They deserve a medal for their patience.

It's like, if you want this game to succeed, then please shut the F up because you're giving garbage feedback. It's literally nitpicking that from the outside looking in feels like you're just trolling for the sake of destroying their joy of the game and everyone else's.

[/\/\utt0]

Publicado originalmente por Lomak:

Being inclusive is actually a good thing

It really isn't.

Being exclusive means you build a more focused and superior experience.

[Animalman]

Illiterate isnt a hit at inclusivity.

Its to say the dude can't read like maybe he was on vacation and doesn't speak the language and can't read. Illiterate is a derogatory word like boffin and inebriated. Its like a posh insult not a formal definition or explanation. It can imply stupidity. while there are many reasons why a character couldn't read.
Sure it can imply stupidity as i said, but it can also not imply, and can be considered the intellectual definition but its roots are derogatory. While a dude can speak fluent spanish and read spanish and be outside of his country trying to marry into the USA, when the outbreak occurred lol

loll

its real scenario many in the modern world would have felt that way on holidays in spain and south of france. where you go and they or Germany where u go, or Slavic nations and u like well i don't know the alphabet i depend on them supplying the british signs usually they do but u went out a library over there good luck.

[TheBasque]

Publicado originalmente por Animalman:

Illiterate isnt a hit at inclusivity.

Its to say the dude can't read like maybe he was on vacation and doesn't speak the language and can't read. Illiterate is a derogatory word like boffin and inebriated. Its like a posh insult not a formal definition or explanation. It can imply stupidity. while there are many reasons why a character couldn't read.
Sure it can imply stupidity as i said, but it can also not imply, and can be considered the intellectual definition but its roots are derogatory. While a dude can speak fluent spanish and read spanish and be outside of his country trying to marry into the USA, when the outbreak occurred lol

loll

its real scenario many in the modern world would have felt that way on holidays in spain and south of france. where you go and they or Germany where u go, or Slavic nations and u like well i don't know the alphabet i depend on them supplying the british signs usually they do but u went out a library over there good luck.

Then there's this very obvious and pragmatic explanation. There are so many reasons to do so that has nothing to do with yalls made up culture war nonsense.

[Kaia]

yeah let us not mistake dumbing down the vernacular with being inclusive.

I am all for inclusivity.

In this case, if you provide the proper word with its definition means being inclusive.
If you use mentally challenged idiocracy speak because you're afraid some people won't be familiar with the proper vernacular, you're not being inclusive, you're just dumbing things down for everyone.

The two strike me as very different. Again, providing a tooltip that explains the semi-difficult terms strike me as a perfect inclusive way to teach and lift the people who need it up.
I don't know why this was such a hot button issue to change in the first place, but reading this thread, i now have additional worries.

[TheBasque]

Publicado originalmente por Kaia:

yeah let us not mistake dumbing down the vernacular with being inclusive.

I am all for inclusivity.

In this case, if you provide the proper word with its definition means being inclusive.
If you use mentally challenged idiocracy speak because you're afraid some people won't be familiar with the proper vernacular, you're not being inclusive, you're just dumbing things down for everyone.

The two strike me as very different. Again, providing a tooltip that explains the semi-difficult terms strike me as a perfect inclusive way to teach and lift the people who need it up.
I don't know why this was such a hot button issue to change in the first place, but reading this thread, i now have additional worries.

Again, illiterate isn't some highfalutin word for erudites. It's unclear and inaccurate at best, if someone is from a foreign country that doesn't speak English, they are not an "illiterate" for not being able to read and write in the language. They are still literate.

However, they could be a PhD that "Can't Read" English.

[Animalman]

Hemaphobic was fine

Illiterate was fine, but there is justification for its change.
but the reason heamaphobe was changed was because of community abuse of the homophobe and the fact that. well. the trait is about avoiding touchy feels
and ..

Hema was fine for me, that was the intellectual definition of Fear of Blood.
Illiterate is up for grabs. just because the word can be long and complicated and imply intellectual roots does not mean its a good way to summarise the negative. Because you can still be a smart survivor without reading.

Can't read is short and doens't look nice in the box for sure not as nice as illiterate looked but that is the vernacular as kaia is saying. Its dumbing down but doesn't come with the explanation that its not an all around stupid trait to pick.
Can't Read, feels less stupid to throw into a build then Illiterate does.

Illiterate may imply ALL ASPECT of literacy the character is deficient. Include writing. but can still write on a notepad. So some mesh there, he can't read but can still write on a ntoepad. whats the balance.

[Kaia]

Publicado originalmente por TheBasque:

Publicado originalmente por Kaia:

yeah let us not mistake dumbing down the vernacular with being inclusive.

I am all for inclusivity.

In this case, if you provide the proper word with its definition means being inclusive.
If you use mentally challenged idiocracy speak because you're afraid some people won't be familiar with the proper vernacular, you're not being inclusive, you're just dumbing things down for everyone.

The two strike me as very different. Again, providing a tooltip that explains the semi-difficult terms strike me as a perfect inclusive way to teach and lift the people who need it up.
I don't know why this was such a hot button issue to change in the first place, but reading this thread, i now have additional worries.

Again, illiterate isn't some highfalutin word for erudites. It's unclear and inaccurate at best, if someone is from a foreign country that doesn't speak English, they are not an "illiterate" for not being able to read and write in the language. They are still literate.

However, they could be a PhD that "Can't Read" English.

Oh that's 100% beside the point, there is an obvious assumption that illiterate, which means "unable to read or write", applies to the character in the context of the game and whatever language the game's books are written in.

The point you're making is entirely irrelevant to the discourse so long as the game's books and media are universally written in one single language.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Publicado originalmente por Animalman:

Illiterate isnt a hit at inclusivity.

Its to say the dude can't read like maybe he was on vacation and doesn't speak the language and can't read. Illiterate is a derogatory word like boffin and inebriated. Its like a posh insult not a formal definition or explanation. It can imply stupidity. while there are many reasons why a character couldn't read.
Sure it can imply stupidity as i said, but it can also not imply, and can be considered the intellectual definition but its roots are derogatory. While a dude can speak fluent spanish and read spanish and be outside of his country trying to marry into the USA, when the outbreak occurred lol

loll

its real scenario many in the modern world would have felt that way on holidays in spain and south of france. where you go and they or Germany where u go, or Slavic nations and u like well i don't know the alphabet i depend on them supplying the british signs usually they do but u went out a library over there good luck.

Let us be inclusive.
Can't read can mean that your character is blind(can read and write in Braile, and likely can write normally too, just can't read normal text), or that your character never bothered to learn which sound is represented by which symbols/characters/letters.
Now it is up to you which your character is.

(I hope you see the logical flaw in your argument. And why there is a distinction between illiterate and can't read. Illiterate is usually something that one can work towards to overcome, can't read is impossible to tell without the wider context.)

[TheBasque]

Publicado originalmente por Nordil(Hun):

Publicado originalmente por Animalman:

Illiterate isnt a hit at inclusivity.

Its to say the dude can't read like maybe he was on vacation and doesn't speak the language and can't read. Illiterate is a derogatory word like boffin and inebriated. Its like a posh insult not a formal definition or explanation. It can imply stupidity. while there are many reasons why a character couldn't read.
Sure it can imply stupidity as i said, but it can also not imply, and can be considered the intellectual definition but its roots are derogatory. While a dude can speak fluent spanish and read spanish and be outside of his country trying to marry into the USA, when the outbreak occurred lol

loll

its real scenario many in the modern world would have felt that way on holidays in spain and south of france. where you go and they or Germany where u go, or Slavic nations and u like well i don't know the alphabet i depend on them supplying the british signs usually they do but u went out a library over there good luck.

Let us be inclusive.
Can't read can mean that your character is blind(can read and write in Braile, and likely can write normally too, just can't read normal text), or that your character never bothered to learn which sound is represented by which symbols/characters/letters.
Now it is up to you which your character is.

(I hope you see the logical flaw in your argument. And why there is a distinction between illiterate and can't read. Illiterate is usually something that one can work towards to overcome, can't read is impossible to tell without the wider context.)

Of course he doesn't understand the irony, this dude is decrying game developers "dumbing down" the language when it's an example of the exact opposite. You can't help some people.