calories feel off

[Voyuer]

just curious if anyone else feels like the calories on most foods feels really low? i've gotten into taking the nutritionist trait on my most recent runs and it just seems like a lot of food really aren't as calorie dense as they should be. either that or the "fullness" you get off each piece of food is too much? like you cook a roast using a porkchop and a few eggs and its only like 1000 calories but you can't finish the thing in one go if you're being economical.

[Silamon]

Let me... try one... more time....

This time with screenshots, since the videos don't seem to be affecting you.


https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3418363855

In this screenshot, my character has -2200 calories, 0 fat, 0 carbs. Losing weight with a single down arrow.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3418363950

In this screenshot, my character has 4.97 calories, 0 fat, 0 carbs. No weight gain or loss.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3418364045

In this screenshot, my character has 1535 calories, 0 fat, 0 carbs, gaining weight.


Does that prove my point sufficiently? You don't need fat or carbs to gain weight. You don't lose more weight by not having enough fat or carbs.

The only thing that affects whether you gain or lose weight is calories. Fat does not matter. Carb do not matter. They only matter when you are already gaining weight, then they can increase how quickly you gain.

[J128MM]

Take nutritionist trait. Make a salad. Look at calories. Add mayo. Compare calories. Adding fat increased calories. Fat mattered in that scenario. Which is why I added it.

Take nutritionist trait. Make two identical stews. Add butter to one. Compare. Notice adding the fat becomes beneficial if you want to gain weight.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by J128MM:

Take nutritionist trait. Make a salad. Look at calories. Add mayo. Compare calories. Adding fat increased calories. Fat mattered in that scenario. Which is why I added it.

The MAYO added calories. MAYO has calories. Putting that on food increases the calories.

The fat doesn't matter.

[Arthursa]

Originally posted by J128MM:

Take nutritionist trait. Make a salad. Look at calories. Add mayo. Compare calories. Adding fat increased calories. Fat mattered in that scenario. Which is why I added it.

Mayonnaise on it's own has 3000 calories: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mayonnaise
Similarly Butter on it's own has 3200 calories: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Butter
So like Silamon is saying, it's not the fat in those which is causing the weight gain, just the excessive calories.

Where things start getting really weird though is fish. They don't contain a particularly large amount of either yet for some reason they contribute to pretty massive weight gains:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bass
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Catfish
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crappie
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Perch
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pike
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sunfish
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trout

[J128MM]

The mayo just happens to be a high fat food. Much like butter or lard. High fat. That's where the calories come from. Sure I can add lettuce to increase calories, but adding something with high fat like butter is more effective. It's a source a calories. Not sure why you argue that. If you seek out high fat products, adding them to foods often yields good results. Adding fat to chicken, provides more calories. That fat could be butter, lard, margarine, oils. All I'm saying is they're fattening foods and the nutritionist trait provides that data, showing the one thing they all have in common is they're high in fat. Adding fats to dishes in order to gain weight is not misinformation, according to both of us.

And yes, plenty of calories in a stick of butter. Add that high fat ingredient to low fat foods, those calories are transferred to that food. Stick of butter lasts a long time when cooking and apparently cooking skills matter as well, extending it further. Sour cream is a new one they added. Add that fattening ingredient if you can, and it'll contribute to weight gain.

Made four hotdogs one day and it barely satisfied my hunger. Added mayo to the next four and a few onions, and I was gaining weight. Why? Because I added that fattening ingredient to my food. That was the only difference.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by J128MM:

Can eat 1000 calories in one meal, but if there's no fat content in those calories, you'll satisfy hunger but not gain weight. A serving of gummy bears has 0.5 grams of fat. Bag of chips has 45 grams. Eat a bag of those and chase it with a bowl of stew with fattening ingredients like butter, and you'll be fat in no time.

Originally posted by J128MM:

The mayo just happens to be a high fat food. Much like butter or lard. High fat. That's where the calories come from. Sure I can add lettuce to increase calories, but adding something with high fat like butter is more effective. It's a source a calories. Not sure why you argue that. If you seek out high fat products, adding them to foods often yields good results. Adding fat to chicken, provides more calories. That fat could be butter, lard, margarine, oils. All I'm saying is they're fattening foods and the nutritionist trait provides that data, showing the one thing they all have in common is they're high in fat. Adding fats to dishes in order to gain weight is not misinformation, according to both of us.

And yes, plenty of calories in a stick of butter. Add that high fat ingredient to low fat foods, those calories are transferred to that food. Stick of butter lasts a long time when cooking and apparently cooking skills matter as well, extending it further. Sour cream is a new one they added. Add that fattening ingredient if you can, and it'll contribute to weight gain.

Can you just admit you were wrong... I can't stand it when people do this.

Calories are what matter. Fat is secondary. This is a video game, it doesn't matter that fat adds calories in real life. What matters is how many calories the food has in the game.

[J128MM]

Adding fattening ingredients to food dishes contributes to weight gain. I'm not wrong. If I'm wrong I'd be saying adding fattening ingredients to food dishes does not contribute to weight gain.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by J128MM:

Adding fattening ingredients to food dishes contributes to weight gain. I'm not wrong. If I'm wrong I'd be saying adding fattening ingredients to food dishes does not contribute to weight gain.

Then I have no other choice but to call you a troll. This goes beyond just being confidently incorrect.

[J128MM]

You can call me names all you want. That won't stop me from adding fattening ingredients to foods and noticing how that contributes to weight gain when I need it.

Several times I've made identical stews and split them up into bowls. Some have a fattening ingredient like butter, while others do not. Any time I notice my weight dropping, I reach for the ones with butter. Been filling my freezer up with bowls of stew, same strategy, for a very long time. If I was incorrect, I'd stop doing it this way and try something more productive. And how I can tell that bowl is the stew with butter in it, is by comparing the fat content. Nutritionist trait provides those details.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by J128MM:

You can call me names all you want. That won't stop me from adding fattening ingredients to foods and noticing how that contributes to weight gain when I need it.

Several times I've made identical stews and split them up into bowls. Some have a fattening ingredient like butter, while others do not. Any time I notice my weight dropping, I reach for the ones with butter. Been filling my freezer up with bowls of stew, same strategy, for a very long time. If I was incorrect, I'd stop doing it this way and try something more productive. And how I can tell that bowl is the stew with butter in it, is by comparing the fat content. Nutritionist trait provides those details.

State each bowl of stew's calorie.
Because if the one with butter has also happen to have +1000 calorie, then you might be focusing on the wrong argument.

[J128MM]

If the fattening food is what's adding the calories, why is there even an argument? I'm not saying fats do not provide calories. Nothing like that.

I can split the stew into four portions or two. The smaller bowls will have lower calories. Yet I can still tell them apart by looking at the fat content.

I can make several stews using a variety of ingredients, throwing those numbers all over the place, with various portion sizes. However, I know if I need to gain weight or stop subtle weight loss, reaching for the bowls with higher fat content first does the trick, every time. Reaching for the bowls with less wouldn't work as efficiently. A lot of trial and error led me to this point and it's not failing me.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by J128MM:

If the fattening food is what's adding the calories, why is there even an argument? I'm not saying fats do not provide calories. Nothing like that.

I can split the stew into four portions or two. The smaller bowls will have lower calories. Yet I can still tell them apart by looking at the fat content.

You can satisfy calories and gain weight without having much or even any fats. That's the distinction I've been trying to make this whole time.

Fish have tons of calories and not many fats or carbs. You eat that and you are gaining weight even though you don't have enough fats.

That fish in the video I linked in my first post had:
17887 calories
112 carbs
112 fats

Eating this over several days will easily keep your weight up but you will be close to 0 fat and carb.

OP needed calories. Fat is secondary. Carb is secondary.

[J128MM]

Yes. I mention the rabbit stew. How adding one portion of fattening fish to the mix and taking out out one portion of rabbit yields a greater chance of weight gain when compared to two servings of rabbit and no fish. Another instance where adding something with higher fat content is more beneficial.

I'm not saying the player needs fats. I'm saying it helps to add fats to the dishes and foods you eat. I can easily satisfy hunger and not gain weight. If all I eat is the stuff I added fats to, nonstop, I'll be overweight quite easily. As stated I often find myself in situations where I'm trying to jog off the extra calories and level up running. Pretty sure we're all playing the same game here.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by J128MM:

Yes. I mention the rabbit stew. How adding one portion of fattening fish to the mix and taking out out one portion of rabbit yields a greater chance of weight gain when compared to two servings of rabbit and no fish. Another instance where adding something with higher fat content is more beneficial.

I'm not saying the player needs fats. I'm saying it helps to add fats to the dishes and foods you eat.

First you claimed you needed fat in addition to calories to gain weight, now you argue that you never claimed that but that fatty foods have a lot of calories.

Just admit you were wrong.

[J128MM]

I admit you don't know what I'm talking about or perhaps I'm not describing it in way you can comprehend. Not wrong though. Adding fats to dishes is an easy way to gain weight, I find. You can eat 1000 calories worth of salad. If you take those same calories and add something fattening to it like mayo, you'd have far more calories than 1000 from those ingredients, and stand a greater chance of gaining weight, simply by adding a fattening ingredient to those original calories.