Solar Panels, and Wind Mills.

[TankGoodness]

Why not?

[Beltneck]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Animalman:

most of the renewable energy efforts in Kentucky during the 90s focused on using landfill methane for small power plants. So this would be to fill a grave lol and the electrician then builds a power plant from the decomposing bodies ontop of grave tiles.

but you could also put trash in those graves.


Water had been pumped with wind in USA since the Industrial Era. There were not many other places in the world, still are not who use wind pumps though many homesteads have them in USA. They can deplete ground water and produce sink holes.

It took millions of people piling tons of rotting material in one place for decades before it made enough methane that a natural gas plant could use - and not a single power plant relied exclusively on that compost as it's fuel source, since it would be depleted very quickly.

A wind powered water pump can pump water *from a very high water table*. Anything that could be built and assembled by a single person would max out at like 40'-50' depth. Very large ones built by teams of people and using a crane could do around 200'.

Meanwhile a diesel powered pump can do hydraulic fracturing 8000' into the ground, and draw stuff much denser than water back up.

Its all about energy potential. Just because something makes energy doesn't mean it makes enough energy to be useful for what you're trying to achieve.

[Animalman]

its not about what is better and what is worse
it is a bout the freedom of choice and the cost of maintenance vs productivity

What if you don't want to live some place for a long time just want to insure there is some power or water there when you need it. Even if leaving the lights on faults the power at at 11pm after only 3 hours of use. Sometimes you just want light for that one visit. then you;ll continue journey to your 100 gallon an hour high voltage diesel farm

where you'll run 10 freidges for all of your frozen meat pies and butchered animals lol

[Beltneck]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Animalman:

its not about what is better and what is worse
it is a bout the freedom of choice and the cost of maintenance vs productivity

What if you don't want to live some place for a long time just want to insure there is some power or water there when you need it. Even if leaving the lights on faults the power at at 11pm after only 3 hours of use. Sometimes you just want light for that one visit. then you;ll continue journey to your 100 gallon an hour high voltage diesel farm

You're never totally free. You always have to follow the laws of physics.

It takes a certain amount of energy to move a certain amount of mass a given distance. If your system does not make that much energy, the mass doesn't go the distance you want it to.

Planes run on physics, not prayers.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Beltneck:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Animalman:

most of the renewable energy efforts in Kentucky during the 90s focused on using landfill methane for small power plants. So this would be to fill a grave lol and the electrician then builds a power plant from the decomposing bodies ontop of grave tiles.

but you could also put trash in those graves.


Water had been pumped with wind in USA since the Industrial Era. There were not many other places in the world, still are not who use wind pumps though many homesteads have them in USA. They can deplete ground water and produce sink holes.

It took millions of people piling tons of rotting material in one place for decades before it made enough methane that a natural gas plant could use - and not a single power plant relied exclusively on that compost as it's fuel source, since it would be depleted very quickly.

A wind powered water pump can pump water *from a very high water table*. Anything that could be built and assembled by a single person would max out at like 40'-50' depth. Very large ones built by teams of people and using a crane could do around 200'.

Meanwhile a diesel powered pump can do hydraulic fracturing 8000' into the ground, and draw stuff much denser than water back up.

Its all about energy potential. Just because something makes energy doesn't mean it makes enough energy to be useful for what you're trying to achieve.

I am sooo late to this party, that is already over.
Still remember that one of the questions in my exam was the Carnot-process.
Had to prove and calculate the maximum possible theoretical efficiancy.

[veryinky]

Again. Farms had wind turbines to generate electricity because it wasn't economical to wire all the way into rural areas. For 1930s to 1980s they'd most likely use turbines by the Jacobs Wind Electric Company, one of the most popular farm electric wind turbine producers in the US. Ever watch an old movie, like from the 50s or 60s where there was a farm? 3 blades, tail held by pipe and wires, metal trestle 'tower'? That wind turbine in the background was probably made by Jacobs Wind EC. They produced 500w to 1kw but were extremely common until farms started to scale up into industrial concerns.

tl:dr
Solar No
Wind Yes

[Animalman]

Blood can produce electricity.
Electrolysis on Blood animal or Human,

that is Copper and Zinc electrodes seperated when submerged
and connected in a circuit.
this can do the same as Elecrolysis in salt water.
Also produces Hydrogen gas from water.
electrodes require replacement however.

The same electrodes shove into a potato battery for small energy yields.

ISS uses electrolysis discards the hydrogen, and keeps the oxygen from h2o.

[Animalman]

there is actually little study on blood usage in electrolysis because it is a squeamish subject. But the process closely relates to bloods function in the human body.
The bones being calcium act as a calcium battery with blood flowing around.

imagine a big cauldron full of blood and meat, dip a copper sword in one side, and a shiny, zinc alloy sword in the other. touch sword metals the holder would get a shock or maybe even a spark

it is important the blood must be fresh aswell, older blood is less productive from the limited studies.

[PK_Ultra]

solar panels and wind mills were extremely expensive and inefficient back in the 90s. Asking the setting to develop them during an apocalypse is like asking the 90s to develop drones, AI and 5G internet. Its just not there.

Personally I'd rather see a bicycle chained to a motor.

[Beltneck]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Animalman:

there is actually little study on blood usage in electrolysis because it is a squeamish subject. But the process closely relates to bloods function in the human body.
The bones being calcium act as a calcium battery with blood flowing around.

imagine a big cauldron full of blood and meat, dip a copper sword in one side, and a shiny, zinc alloy sword in the other. touch sword metals the holder would get a shock or maybe even a spark

Imagine using 60,000BTUs of heat energy to produce a material that takes 350 Newtons of mechanical energy, and converts it to 0.01 watts of electrical energy.

Thats what a Youtube Sciences diploma can do for you.

Don't listen to those Electrical Engineering chumps over at MIT.

[Alex]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von diecastano:

I used this mod in my main game at B41 and it was very balanced!

ISA? It is not.
Solar has low efficiency. Like 12% in ky climate hence it would make no sense to widely use it in 90s.
And requires regular maintenance (an year worth dust can block 2\3 of light). And it degrades a bit every year (like 1% for pre 2000 panels) and batteries degrade too.
And you just gather a few 12V car batteries and run 110\220V fridge\stove? Btw, the stove has insane drain and would suck these batteries dry before your soup is ready. If the car batteries can even comply with such drain, which is doubtful.

[Animalman]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Beltneck:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Animalman:

there is actually little study on blood usage in electrolysis because it is a squeamish subject. But the process closely relates to bloods function in the human body.
The bones being calcium act as a calcium battery with blood flowing around.

imagine a big cauldron full of blood and meat, dip a copper sword in one side, and a shiny, zinc alloy sword in the other. touch sword metals the holder would get a shock or maybe even a spark

Imagine using 60,000BTUs of heat energy to produce a material that takes 350 Newtons of mechanical energy, and converts it to 0.01 watts of electrical energy.

Thats what a Youtube Sciences diploma can do for you.

i did not obtain it from youtube influences.
I interrogated an AI about it. Since any juice is good for electrolysis, i ran a pineapple calculator had an obsession with it. But looking for a potent renewable liquid, that is more powerful than salt water, blood is that very liquid required.
And it takes us back to the Aztecs and Mayans, and their cultures focus on blood rituals.
In theory there was a time in Greek history, when a Zinc Sword, and a Copper Sword could pierce the same body, and if a man held both swords
then he would feel the energy of electrolysis flowing through his swords.

[Beltneck]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Animalman:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Beltneck:

Imagine using 60,000BTUs of heat energy to produce a material that takes 350 Newtons of mechanical energy, and converts it to 0.01 watts of electrical energy.

Thats what a Youtube Sciences diploma can do for you.

i did not obtain it from youtube influences.
I interrogated an AI about it. Since any juice is good for electrolysis, i ran a pineapple calculator had an obsession with it. But looking for a potent renewable liquid, that is more powerful than salt water, blood is that very liquid required.
And it takes us back to the Aztecs and Mayans, and their cultures focus on blood rituals.
In theory there was a time in Greek history, when a Zinc Sword, and a Copper Sword could pierce the same body, and if a man held both swords
then he would feel the energy of electrolysis flowing through his swords.

Most AI's fail a dementia test, and the best ones barely pass. May as well ask your questions at an Alzheimer's Clinic. At least someone there might remember a real experience on the subject.

[veryinky]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von PK_Ultra:

wind mills were extremely expensive and inefficient back in the 90s. Asking the setting to develop them during an apocalypse is like asking the 90s to develop drones, AI and 5G internet. Its just not there.

Personally I'd rather see a bicycle chained to a motor.

This is factually incorrect. In most cases, from 1900 to the 1990s wind turbines were the cheaper option for farms compared to electricity purchased from a central grid due to transmission and installation costs. In the US, over 60% of all family farms had a wind turbine for their electricity. Only when family farms started to decline did wind turbine use also decline.

[Animalman]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Beltneck:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Animalman:

i did not obtain it from youtube influences.
I interrogated an AI about it. Since any juice is good for electrolysis, i ran a pineapple calculator had an obsession with it. But looking for a potent renewable liquid, that is more powerful than salt water, blood is that very liquid required.
And it takes us back to the Aztecs and Mayans, and their cultures focus on blood rituals.
In theory there was a time in Greek history, when a Zinc Sword, and a Copper Sword could pierce the same body, and if a man held both swords
then he would feel the energy of electrolysis flowing through his swords.

Most AI's barely pass a dementia test. May as well ask your questions at the old folks home.

you are rejecting it.

Blood-powered batteries use haemoglobin from red blood cells to generate electricity. These batteries designed to power medical implant devices like pacemakers

Scale it up.
to the Baghdad Battery.
and you've got yourself
a very interesting item.

[Beltneck]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Animalman:

you are rejecting it.

Blood-powered batteries use haemoglobin from red blood cells to generate electricity. These batteries designed to power medical implant devices like pacemakers

Scale it up.
to the Baghdad Battery.
and you've got yourself
a very interesting item.

I'm not the one trying to convince people that something that produces microwatts would be useful for something that requires kilowatts.

Especially when it takes a lot of energy and material to make that micro wattage in the first place, scaling it up to kilowatts would take more mass than any one person could assemble in their lifetime.