Tired too fast.

[Grimaldus]

I know you devs want to keep this game realistic so i'm gonna call it right here,
growing tired happens way too fast.
My character doesn't have the perk so i need more sleep, he eats a balanced diet
and have top strength and 7/10 stamina.
Yet, if i sleep from 21 to 06 which is far more than a human needs before work,
by the time the clock reaches 18 in game, my character becomes tired and by
21, i'm desperately tired.
I know personally from working that i sleep for around 5 hours when i work.
I go to bed around 23:00/midnight and i get up 05:00 with Alarm and
then it's 8 hours workday and i get home around 17 and then it's free time
until bedtime. The body simply adapts.

Also to add, when i'm off work and game a lot ,
i can stay up at times for over 48 hours. And i know that SEALS training forces
them to stay up for 7 days with only microsleep's on occasion in which the body
repairs and regens faster than normally.

So.. to conclude. Have our chars asking to sleep after 12 hours up,
and "resting" doesn't work, needs looking into imo.

[Kaldrak]

You know there are vitamins and herbs you can take to reduce tiredness, right?

[Freeasabird🕊]

Originally posted by Kaldrak:

You know there are vitamins and herbs you can take to reduce tiredness, right?

I have to agree with OP here, you DO get tired a wee bit to fast. like, yeah there's herbs and pills but that doesn't change the fact you grow tired to quickly.

[Kaldrak]

Originally posted by Freeasabird🕊:

Originally posted by Kaldrak:

You know there are vitamins and herbs you can take to reduce tiredness, right?

I have to agree with OP here, you DO get tired a wee bit to fast. like, yeah there's herbs and pills but that doesn't change the fact you grow tired to quickly.

I think it's just a balance issue. It's not 'realistic' for a person to gorge themselves on as much food as you can consume in a day in this game either, lol.

[Eternal]

you will get tired only if you do a lot of physical work like bashing zeds or choping trees al day

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by Eternal:

you will get tired only if you do a lot of physical work like bashing zeds or choping trees al day

Actually no. If you are encumbered a lot and move like that, you will also get not just exhausted but tired faster. For instance if you would say carry 36 pounds of logs with you, to drop by the base and you do this for like 3-4 hours...you will get noticeably faster tired then when you are just killing zombies. (Depends on what weapon you use though. With short blade you will not get as tired as with using long blunt or short blunt.)

[Kaldrak]

Originally posted by Nordil(Hun):

Originally posted by Eternal:

you will get tired only if you do a lot of physical work like bashing zeds or choping trees al day

Actually no. If you are encumbered a lot and move like that, you will also get not just exhausted but tired faster. For instance if you would say carry 36 pounds of logs with you, to drop by the base and you do this for like 3-4 hours...you will get noticeably faster tired then when you are just killing zombies. (Depends on what weapon you use though. With short blade you will not get as tired as with using long blunt or short blunt.)

Sprinting and running around everywhere will also tire you out faster.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by Kaldrak:

Originally posted by Nordil(Hun):

Actually no. If you are encumbered a lot and move like that, you will also get not just exhausted but tired faster. For instance if you would say carry 36 pounds of logs with you, to drop by the base and you do this for like 3-4 hours...you will get noticeably faster tired then when you are just killing zombies. (Depends on what weapon you use though. With short blade you will not get as tired as with using long blunt or short blunt.)

Sprinting and running around everywhere will also tire you out faster.

Indeed. I did not intended to give an overall explanation, just some insight that how it seems to work.
Also if you are running and sprinting a lot you likely will not survive long.
Knowing when it is time to run is one of the key moments in the game.

[Ficelle]

In our world, 90+% of the time is spent lying / sitting / very casually walking...with most people having to do 'sport' to have any physical acitivty...

Of course, you rarely get exhausted and can do with little sleeping
Even then, very few people can achieve 5 hours sleep longtime


Now, imagine these people run / crouch / log / swing a weapon...all day long while carrying 15 Kg on their back
I can guarantee most wouldnt even be able to do half a day without a heart attack...and the other half would be totally exhausted way before the end of the day


If anything, PZ is very lenient...you can do way more stuff than most could do
You can continue to play and do stuff, even incredibly tired
You can also take the Wakeful trait...

[Nero]

Originally posted by Kaldrak:

You know there are vitamins and herbs you can take to reduce tiredness, right?

Dont forget the COOOOFFFEEEEE

[Kurogo]

Originally posted by Ficelle:

In our world, 90+% of the time is spent lying / sitting / very casually walking...with most people having to do 'sport' to have any physical acitivty...

Of course, you rarely get exhausted and can do with little sleeping
Even then, very few people can achieve 5 hours sleep longtime


Now, imagine these people run / crouch / log / swing a weapon...all day long while carrying 15 Kg on their back
I can guarantee most wouldnt even be able to do half a day without a heart attack...and the other half would be totally exhausted way before the end of the day


If anything, PZ is very lenient...you can do way more stuff than most could do
You can continue to play and do stuff, even incredibly tired
You can also take the Wakeful trait...

I disagree. Even spending a day avoiding exertion and overencumbrance, characters with Night Owl and Wakeful get sleepy after 12 hours of being awake. That’s definitely not lenient.

[Ficelle]

My current most advanced character is Wakeful and is not unusually sleepy if he doesnt do too much physical acticities
He is unfit too...

Now the always jogging, always doing stuff, always on the move, always fighting, plus why not add in some foraging... character wondering why he is sleepy after 12 hours of heavy physical activity

You are supposed to play a human...not a superhuman like in most games
Now, i think you can tweak settings and alter stamina drain and recover in Sandbox

Night Owl doesnt do anything at all anyway

[Sterling]

Originally posted by Kurogo:

I disagree. Even spending a day avoiding exertion and overencumbrance, characters with Night Owl and Wakeful get sleepy after 12 hours of being awake. That’s definitely not lenient.

Pretty sure Night Owl does nothing atm. At least if the wiki is to be trusted.

EDIT: I'm also 100% positive that anyone saying their character is getting past the first sleepy moodle during the day without strenuous activity is doing something wrong, bugged or outright lying (or maybe have picked Restless Sleeper which reduces quality of sleep). Under normal circumstances, my obese character can do a full day of running around, swinging a hammer and clambering through windows without getting past the first moodle until around 6 PM. Level 1 of the moodle means a normal sleep time of 6-8 hours. Level 2-3 of the moodle means 8-10 hours and the final stages means nearly 12 hours of sleep, maybe more. I can manage the levels fine by having an hour or two long nap with an alarm set, I just use another watch on my right hand for naps. If the exhaustion isn't fully slept off, you have a sleep debt that means you will get tired sooner. Setting an alarm at 7 AM and going to bed at 10 PM when you need 12 hours of sleep is going to put you 3 hours worth of sleep in the hole when you start your day.

AFAIK, needing less sleep via the Wakeful trait doesn't mean you don't get sleepy slower, it means you need less sleep to have a full night's rest. Your character's abilities are going to be like any other character's with similar stats, you'll just need less sleep to function. If you're sleeping in a less than desirable place, or have the restless sleeper trait, you're not going to recover your exhaustion points fully and thus be tired sooner regardless of how long your character sleeps.

[Grishnerf]

Originally posted by 🅺🆄🅼🅰:

Originally posted by Kaldrak:

You know there are vitamins and herbs you can take to reduce tiredness, right?

Dont forget the COOOOFFFEEEEE

most undervalue this.

..and dont waste time making cups of coffee.
just chug the whole powder
and drink from a sink to balance the waterloss.

[Nero]

Originally posted by Grishnerf:

Originally posted by 🅺🆄🅼🅰:

Dont forget the COOOOFFFEEEEE

most undervalue this.

..and dont waste time making cups of coffee.
just chug the whole powder
and drink from a sink to balance the waterloss.

Eat the powder and drink boiling water like a MAAAAN

[Kurogo]

Originally posted by Sterling:

Originally posted by Kurogo:

I disagree. Even spending a day avoiding exertion and overencumbrance, characters with Night Owl and Wakeful get sleepy after 12 hours of being awake. That’s definitely not lenient.

Pretty sure Night Owl does nothing atm. At least if the wiki is to be trusted.

EDIT: I'm also 100% positive that anyone saying their character is getting the first moodle of being sleepy during the day after very little physical activity is doing something wrong, bugged or outright lying (or maybe have picked Restless Sleeper which reduces quality of sleep). Under normal circumstances, my obese character can do a full day of running around, swinging a hammer and clambering through windows without getting past the first moodle until around 6 PM. Level 1 of the moodle means a normal sleep time of 6-8 hours. Level 2-3 of the moodle means 8-10 hours and the final stages means nearly 12 hours of sleep, maybe more. I can manage the levels fine by having an hour or two long nap with an alarm set, I just use another watch on my right hand for naps. If the exhaustion isn't fully slept off, you have a sleep debt that means you will get tired sooner. Setting an alarm at 7 AM and going to bed at 10 PM when you need 12 hours of sleep is going to put you 3 hours worth of sleep in the hole when you start your day.

AFAIK, needing less sleep via the Wakeful trait doesn't mean you don't get sleepy slower, it means you need less sleep to have a full night's rest. Your character's abilities are going to be like any other character's with similar stats, you'll just need less sleep to function. If you're sleeping in a less than desirable place, or have the restless sleeper trait, you're not going to recover your exhaustion points fully and thus be tired sooner regardless of how long your character sleeps.

Is that a full day of activity in the first week, or a few weeks in? The first couple days are fine, but even with a strict schedule with regular rest breaks and 8 in the sack, sleep happens too soon for me.