📣 Car Ownership

[Lera]

Is there a way to add something to a server that lets people claim x amount of cars to prevent grieving? I appreciate it.

Thanks so much in advance.

[martindirt]

Originally posted by Lera:

Is there a way to add something to a server that lets people claim x amount of cars to prevent grieving? I appreciate it.

Thanks so much in advance.

There is a modder "Eris" who making mods for another server. You know him/her from the minimap project.
(S)he made exactly this mod (and many other server maintenance mods). Very friendly, helpful, etc. Try to contact him/her (I'm played a year with Eris, never asked his/her gender... LoL).

(S)he made a mod, players can claim cars, adimns can setup how many / player. All the unclaimed cars deleted after X hours.

[Greb]

That'd just open more avenues for griefing though, right? A car you can't mess with because it's owned by another player? That's just asking for someone to park a truck in front of your safehouse front door that you can't move, or park a car with a siren in your back garden and then turn it on or something.

And if you could move it by towing or by ramming it then that's what griefers would just choose to do instead too out of spite, your nice fixed car they wanted to steal but can't drive they'd just tow away.

It'd also kinda suck if you needed to escape a zombie horde and you rushed over to a car, your last chance to escape, but some invisible force of nature was like "NO!" and prevented you from getting into the car because someone else in the world owned it already lol, and then you get torn to pieces or something.

I thought safehouses had a function where players can't mess with stuff inside them already? I read something once about a guy who stole another players entire loot haul and he put it in a truck and then parked it inside an open garage attached to his claimed safehouse and the car couldn't be entered or interacted with while it was inside the garage, or something like that? I've never played in an MP server where other players aren't in my safehouse together so I can't say for sure that's how safehouses work, but maybe you could try that for safe vehicle storage or something instead?

Bit more "organic" if its safe in your compound, but a little weird if it's just a magically protected vehicle in the middle of nowhere, etc.

Either way, each to their own and I hope you find exactly the kind of mod you're looking for.

[Retro]

This isn't GTA online though. Any griefing acts would most likely be dealt with very swiftly by the local Admin.

Originally posted by Greb:

It'd also kinda suck if you needed to escape a zombie horde and you rushed over to a car, your last chance to escape, but some invisible force of nature was like "NO!" and prevented you from getting into the car because someone else in the world owned it already lol, and then you get torn to pieces or something.

Well, if you're rushing over to someone else's car you're not going to be able to take it anyway unless you have the key to that car.

[Greb]

Originally posted by Retro:

Well, if you're rushing over to someone else's car you're not going to be able to take it anyway unless you have the key to that car.

Unless you've got Mechanics 2 Electrical 1 or you're a Burglar, anyway. Then you'd just smash the rear window, hop inside and hotwire it - or get torn apart by the zombies because you failed to hotwire it 5 times in a row, lol.

[martindirt]

Originally posted by Greb:

Originally posted by Retro:

Well, if you're rushing over to someone else's car you're not going to be able to take it anyway unless you have the key to that car.

Unless you've got Mechanics 2 Electrical 1 or you're a Burglar, anyway. Then you'd just smash the rear window, hop inside and hotwire it - or get torn apart by the zombies because you failed to hotwire it 5 times in a row, lol.

Stealing other player's car for whatever reason - on a PvE server, where I can't defend my properties - is 99% forbidden by server rules.
Mostly admins ban you for at least a few days. U know adult ppls respect others cars, more than their own life.
Btw ... Did u know u can walk faster than zeds? U don't need to steal a car to leave them behind. U are the player who trying to justify his misbehavior.

[Greb]

Originally posted by martindirt:

U are the player who trying to justify his misbehavior.

I have never played in a public MP game and I never will. All I'm doing is using my brain for five seconds and finding holes.

Server hosts can set their own rules sure enough, enforcing whatever they want. I doubt all of them will care if someones cars get stolen, but some will and no doubt attempt to enforce their rules - but not everyone will care, and just grief anyway. Rules never stopped 'em. That's why the mod is a good idea - but it won't be enough, which is all I'm saying.

The only way to protect from griefing is to play contained, private sessions.

[martindirt]

Originally posted by Greb:

Originally posted by martindirt:

U are the player who trying to justify his misbehavior.

I have never played in a public MP game and I never will. All I'm doing is using my brain for five seconds and finding holes.

Server hosts can set their own rules sure enough, enforcing whatever they want. I doubt all of them will care if someones cars get stolen, but some will and no doubt attempt to enforce their rules - but not everyone will care, and just grief anyway. Rules never stopped 'em. That's why the mod is a good idea - but it won't be enough, which is all I'm saying.

The only way to protect from griefing is to play contained, private sessions.

You never played public MP, but you know better...
I'm played the whole b39-b40 era on public MPs...
You have imagination and opinion. I have experience.

Yes, there were, there are and there will be griefers. But on a server, where admins doing their duty seriously, griefers come and go (mostly at their first attempt to break the rules), and admin s ezly fix the problem they caused.
Some servers are popular because of this reason.

[Greb]

Originally posted by martindirt:

You never played public MP, but you know better...

Just pointing out how people could use a car protection system to grief, lol. Players can use whatever mods they like on their servers and coddle the players as much as they like too, that's none of my business. Sure enough you can rely on the admins to deal with any problems that come up, but it sounds to me like adding a mod like this is designed to reduce how much meddling admins would have to do, not increase it.

Just sayin' - it'd be too easy to take a vehicle that is now protected from other players and use it to cause more harm than good in a variety of ways. It's fun to theorise, right?

[martindirt]

Originally posted by Greb:

Originally posted by martindirt:

You never played public MP, but you know better...

Just pointing out how people could use a car protection system to grief, lol. Players can use whatever mods they like on their servers and coddle the players as much as they like too, that's none of my business. Sure enough you can rely on the admins to deal with any problems that come up, but it sounds to me like adding a mod like this is designed to reduce how much meddling admins would have to do, not increase it.

Just sayin' - it'd be too easy to take a vehicle that is now protected from other players and use it to cause more harm than good in a variety of ways. It's fun to theorise, right?

And I'm talking about an existing mod (not published in workshop, this is why I'm told Lera, contact the modder), what's still active on a long existing server (oldest pz server). And it's a very rare event when this mod cause any problems. So a good admin & a good community can profit from "car ownership".
A sever with a weak, lazy admin overpowered by a bunch of 8yrs old players ofc sink into anarchy. With or without a mod like this.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Greb:

I have never played in a public MP game and I never will. All I'm doing is using my brain for five seconds and finding holes.

Well, I've been playing for years, so you didn't find any hole from me in my statement. I purposely left out "hotwiring" because most servers have rules of integrity and you don't take other players cars.

[Greb]

Originally posted by Retro:

I purposely left out "hotwiring" because most servers have rules of integrity and you don't take other players cars.

Sure, sure. So much integrity a mod was made to secure cars from other players taking them

The "holes" I'm finding aren't directed at anyone in particular, rather at the use or need for a mod itself, just pointing out more problems you may or may not end up facing because of it, is all. You don't need hours of playtime to think of ways it can cause trouble.

All I'm saying is, you close one door and you open another. Unless you're running a private server that's only accessible via Discord or something anyway, but at that point why do you even need a mod to claim cars in the first place?

I guess it'll give the local admin something to do if someone decides to park a car you can't interact with or damage in any way in front of your houses entrance, or across a major bridge, or inside a building, or parks a car with a siren outside your base for whatever reason.

Anyway, I've said my piece. No real reason to keep chewing on it, right? It's all theoretical anyway